CH Pump Problem

did you look at the level before draining ? 5 minutes would drop the tank by more than a third
The tank was full, by the dry line. The flow rate of drained water as per photo above.
 
did you look at the level before draining ? 5 minutes would drop the tank by more than a third
The tank was full, by the dry line. The flow rate of drained water as per photo above.
 
Update:

I turned off the cold feed to the header F&E tank, drain from ground floor drain valve for good 5 mins, went to the loft, water level in header tank down to third; pls see pic below.

Verdict?

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You should give the F&E Cistern a thorough clean out before refilling the system. Also consider isolating the pump, remove the 4 stud bolts and pump head and clean out the impeller vanes with. a steel scriber or small screwdriver and a tie wrap, those Selectrics are outstanding pumps.
 
The tank was emptied from same rad drain point as before, the remaining water removed and cleaned thoroughly; there were metal bits at the bottom.

Is Sentinel x100 good enough?


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The tank was emptied from same rad drain point as before, the remaining water removed and cleaned thoroughly; there were metal bits at the bottom.

Is Sentinel x100 good enough?
What you've done is unlikely to have made any difference to your original problem. Have you tried cleaning the pump impeller, as Johntheo5 and I suggested?
 
If you don't wish to split the pump to inspect it you can just view it by removing the pump and look in at the impeller from the inlet port.

And the same pump with the head removed.

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I haven't done anything since; few questions:
1. With hot water or central heating selected, would the pump turn if boiler not firing? IE: does the pump turn only when boiler is firing?
2. Can I test the operation of the pump without taking it apart? ie: by taking the middle silver screw and see if pump turning?
3. I have ticking noise nothing loud when boiler fires, there is no banging or nocking, is been there for a while even possibly years, the flame is blue and normal; does this suggest anything wrong with the boiler/heat exchanger? boiler is ideal classis cast iron exchanger
4. The issue is still the same, the boiler fires when HW or heat is selected only for 30 sec or so and stops, there are 2 water pipes on top of the boiler; assume feed and return, one gets very hot but other stays cold. The boiler fires back on after 30mins or so, in between the pump gets very hot. Why does the pump get very hot?

Thanks
 
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I haven't done anything since; few questions:
1. With hot water or central heating selected, would the pump turn if boiler not firing? IE: does the pump turn only when boiler is firing?
2. Can I test the operation of the pump without taking it apart? ie: by taking the middle silver screw and see if pump turning?
3. I have ticking noise nothing loud when boiler fires, there is no banging or nocking, is been there for a while even possibly years, the flame is blue and normal; does this suggest anything wrong with the boiler/heat exchanger? boiler is ideal classis cast iron exchanger
4. The issue is still the same, the boiler fires when HW or heat is selected only for 30 sec or so and stops, there are 2 water pipes on top of the boiler; assume feed and return, one gets very hot but other stays cold. The boiler fires back on after 30mins or so, in between the pump gets very hot. Why does the pump get very hot?

Thanks
The pump should run anytime there is a call for heat from the boiler, the pump may or may not continue running if the boiler cuts/trips out,..
You can see if the pump impeller is rotating by taking out that centre screw, just hold a cloth underneath it when you remove the screw, you might be able to see the end of the pump shaft, may require a torch of stick something like a reversed pencil into the pump to feel the shaft rotating (or not).
30 secs does seem a very short run time even if the pump is kaput, you have two choices, remove the pump as I suggested (if the shat is rotating, above) and inspect the impeller, if not rotating, go and get a new pump, you can get a cheapie for around £60/£80 or so on Amazon or (my preference), a 6M Dab Evosta3, or like my own, a 6M Wilo Yonos Pico, both ~ £120 or so, use rubber gaskets if you do install one, mine were supplied with the Wilo.
 
TBH I don't have the confidence to replace the pump, haven't tried if valves are working/closing or not, will hire someone, just called a local plumber he quoted £350 labour only; laughable. I will make more calls tomorrow.
 
TBH I don't have the confidence to replace the pump, haven't tried if valves are working/closing or not, will hire someone, just called a local plumber he quoted £350 labour only; laughable. I will make more calls tomorrow.
It shouldn't be too difficult to remove the pump body to check the impeller etc, just 4 Allen bolts. No need to disturb the pipework. Close the pump valves first, or if you prefer, partially drain the system.
It would be a shame to replace the pump and find it's no better.
 

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