Labour do it again!

Brigadier · 5 Feb 2026

motorbiking said:
Loss of life was 'avoidable' in deadliest ever Channel migrant boat sinking, inquiry finds

More than 30 people died trying to make the journey from France to the UK in the early hours of 24 November 2021.

news.sky.com

£7.5M to find out that "Travelling on board a small, unseaworthy and crowded boat, and crossing one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, is an inherently dangerous activity."

money well spent. - not.

It is now codified and documented though.

Just like the case law you happily fall back on, when it suits your position.

motorbiking · 6 Feb 2026

Brigadier said:
It is now codified and documented though.

We already have a body that documents such things - They are called the Marine Accident Investigation Board. They do a fantastic job and published a report on this event, shortly after.

Brigadier said:
Just like the case law you happily fall back on, when it suits your position.

Nothing at all like it. Case law sets rules for future judgements. This was £7.5M for 455 pages, which largely ignores the fact that these people chose to depart in an unsafe, overcrowded, illegal vessel and places obligations on UK SARs to do a better job with "better technology".

Murdochcat · 6 Feb 2026

motorbiking said:
Loss of life was 'avoidable' in deadliest ever Channel migrant boat sinking, inquiry finds

More than 30 people died trying to make the journey from France to the UK in the early hours of 24 November 2021.

news.sky.com

£7.5M to find out that "Travelling on board a small, unseaworthy and crowded boat, and crossing one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, is an inherently dangerous activity."

money well spent. - not.

And why the French naval boat ignored their calls for help is anybody’s guess

King Billy · 6 Feb 2026

motorbiking said:
Nothing at all like it. Case law sets rules for future judgements. This was £7.5M for 455 pages, which largely ignores the fact that these people chose to depart in an unsafe, overcrowded, illegal vessel and places obligations on UK SARs to do a better job with "better technology".

Case law is derived from the interpretation of existing law as applied to specific incidents.

This investigation is the equivalent of existing law (existing systems, procedures and resources) applied to a specific incident.

It identified intentional shortfalls in resources, systemic failures and missed opportunities in UK and French rescue services.
I'm convinced that the vilifying of asylum seekers has added to the unnecessary loss of life.

Odds · 6 Feb 2026

There has been a five-fold increase in the number of refugee households who are homeless or at risk of homelessness in the last four years, the BBC has found. Government data for England showed a rise from 3,560 in 2021/22, to 19,310 in 2024/25.

(remind me; who was in office during that time?)

Charities said the increase was a "direct result" of government policy, and blamed the 28-day period newly-recognised refugees are given to move out of Home Office accommodation - including hotels - as well as faster processing of claims by asylum seekers.

The DRC, Angola and Namibia have agreed to take back foreign offenders and illegal migrants after the UK Home Secretary threatened them with visa penalties.

festive · 6 Feb 2026

motorbiking said:
Loss of life was 'avoidable' in deadliest ever Channel migrant boat sinking, inquiry finds

More than 30 people died trying to make the journey from France to the UK in the early hours of 24 November 2021.

news.sky.com

£7.5M to find out that "Travelling on board a small, unseaworthy and crowded boat, and crossing one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, is an inherently dangerous activity."

money well spent. - not.

"HM Coastguard was placed in an "intolerable position", with "chronic staff shortages" and "staff overwhelmed" at Dover, and other deficiencies, "contributing directly to the failure to rescue people in the water," the report said."

Yep thats because there are so many boats coming over they can't keep up, HM Coastguard's strategy and budget wasn't designed for queue jumpers entering our shores illegally by boat, only pirates/drug shipments or other illegal vessels are factored here, we mostly rely on charities like RNLI to become illegal immigrant buses now instead. Hence i have stopped paying any money to these ******s, never getting another penny off me.

And agree what an utter waste of money shelling out for an inquiry, how much of that goes to private companies to generate that BS report.

festive · 6 Feb 2026

King Billy said:
Case law is derived from the interpretation of existing law as applied to specific incidents.

This investigation is the equivalent of existing law (existing systems, procedures and resources) applied to a specific incident.

It identified intentional shortfalls in resources, systemic failures and missed opportunities in UK and French rescue services.
I'm convinced that the vilifying of asylum seekers has added to the unnecessary loss of life.

I think you need to go on my ignore list ive never read such drivel, its driving me to distraction, or is that by design?

Talking of, what's happened to Notch has he finally imploded or under a new pseudonym

King Billy · 6 Feb 2026

festive said:
"HM Coastguard was placed in an "intolerable position", with "chronic staff shortages" and "staff overwhelmed" at Dover, and other deficiencies, "contributing directly to the failure to rescue people in the water," the report said."

Yep thats because there are so many boats coming over they can't keep up, HM Coastguard's strategy and budget wasn't designed for queue jumpers entering our shores illegally by boat, only pirates/drug shipments or other illegal vessels are factored here, we mostly rely on charities like RNLI to become illegal immigrant buses now instead. Hence i have stopped paying any money to these ******s, never getting another penny off me.

And agree what an utter waste of money shelling out for an inquiry, how much of that goes to private companies to generate that BS report.

Media Hostility & Prejudice: British media, including the Daily Mail and Daily Express, frequently published hostile content, warning that refugees threatened national security,

Am I talking about the current attitude towards refugees?

Nope

Immigration policy
Main article: United Kingdom immigration law
Britain established the Aliens Act 1905 as a means of immigration control; it restricted the immigration of the poor, and Jews from eastern Europe.

Jewish refugees from German-occupied Europe in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

King Billy · 6 Feb 2026

festive said:
I think you need to go on my ignore list

Lucky me.

festive · 6 Feb 2026

King Billy said:
Lucky me.

That is open to interpretation, ill leave you to distract others with your drivel, that's all it is. Taraaa now.... taraaaaa!!!!

King Billy · 6 Feb 2026

festive said:
That is open to interpretation, ill leave you to distract others with your drivel, that's all it is. Taraaa now.... taraaaaa!!!!

Stick your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes, and stamp your feet.

Vinty · 6 Feb 2026

Odds said:
The DRC, Angola and Namibia have agreed to take back foreign offenders and illegal migrants after the UK Home Secretary threatened them with visa penalties

That is a good start.
However other countries have shown resistance to taking back their nationals who have committed offences in the UK.
The government needs to expand this policy and show zero tolerance to countries that won't comply, if they do that, then that would undercut Reform.

motorbiking · 6 Feb 2026

festive said:
"HM Coastguard was placed in an "intolerable position", with "chronic staff shortages" and "staff overwhelmed" at Dover, and other deficiencies, "contributing directly to the failure to rescue people in the water," the report said."

Yep thats because there are so many boats coming over they can't keep up, HM Coastguard's strategy and budget wasn't designed for queue jumpers entering our shores illegally by boat, only pirates/drug shipments or other illegal vessels are factored here, we mostly rely on charities like RNLI to become illegal immigrant buses now instead. Hence i have stopped paying any money to these ******s, never getting another penny off me.

And agree what an utter waste of money shelling out for an inquiry, how much of that goes to private companies to generate that BS report.

Yep - Coast Guard and SARs resources are not limitless and we didn't need to spend £7.5M, writing a 455 page document about a boat that drifted in to UK waters while it was sinking, that basically says.. People shouldn't cross the channel in unsafe, over crowded and illegal boats.

There are a lot of procedural recommendations in the inquiry report, that are nothing more than "maybe try it this way next time". Seems like a waste of money particularly since MAIBs already wrote up the incident (90 pages) and identified specific issues with communication between French VTS and the UK and French coastguard.

When Search and rescue obligations were created I don't think anyone was thinking that the obligations should be absolute when people deliberately set off putting themselves at risk with the expectations of being rescued/ferried for free by others.

motorbiking · 6 Feb 2026

Vinty said:
That is a good start.
However other countries have shown resistance to taking back their nationals who have committed offences in the UK.
The government needs to expand this policy and show zero tolerance to countries that won't comply, if they do that, then that would undercut Reform.

to be fair cancelling privileges for countries refusing to take back their citizens is a good move. But it doesn't stop them coming back if they try again as per 1 in 1 out and back again.

Proper deterrents are needed.

King Billy · 6 Feb 2026

motorbiking said:
Yep - Coast Guard and SARs resources are not limitless and we didn't need to spend £7.5M, writing a 455 page document about a boat that drifted in to UK waters while it was sinking, that basically says.. People shouldn't cross the channel in unsafe, over crowded and illegal boats.

There are a lot of procedural recommendations in the inquiry report, that are nothing more than "maybe try it this way next time". Seems like a waste of money particularly since MAIBs already wrote up the incident (90 pages) and identified specific issues with communication between French VTS and the UK and French coastguard.

When Search and rescue obligations were created I don't think anyone was thinking that the obligations should be absolute when people deliberately set off putting themselves at risk with the expectations of being rescued/ferried for free by others.

It shows that despite the governments expressed concern for the safety of asylum seekers, they don't really give a hoot, and are unwilling to do anything to make the process of claiming asylum safer.
Among some right wing public there's a definite attitude of "serves 'em right!"

Labour do it again!

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