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17th Ed and 2391 qualified - soon hopefully !!!

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by B1N9S, 16 Apr 2011.

  1. B1N9S

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    My employer has just put me through a 17th ed course and a 2391 I&T. Still waiting on the theory result, but passed the practical.

    I work as an engineer for a large company, covering all aspects of communications. Mainly RF stuff.

    I am NOT a qualified spark, but am electrical engineering & comms qualified and competent with electricity, but don't posess the practical experience of an electrician.

    My employer also employs qualified electricians, but they want me to do some I&T on small radio relay sites, which is fine.

    My question is, where would I stand on domestics ?? My sister and brother in law have both asked if I would be qualified to install and sign off work on their properties and I am just not sure where I would stand legally !!

    I am just not upto speed with part p and all that stuff. Someone mentioned I would have to be NICEIC registered, etc, etc. Which I wouldn't get unless I was a time served spark. Can I just register with the local council or something for DIY work, if I am not doing anything for financial gain.
     
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    It does not matter if you are being paid or not.
    To notify your own work ou do not register with the local council. You need to be registered with one of the "Part P" schemes.
    Check out their web sites for entry qualifications and COST. A list is at the botto of this page.. http://www.competentperson.co.uk/

    You will also need a set of calibrated test equipment and public liability insurance, so be prepared to dig deep in your piggy bank. The first year will cost you more than £1,000.
     
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    Thanks mate.

    Entry qualifications shouldn't be a problem.

    Cost is a major issue (If I am not being paid !!!!).

    Thanks again for the reply.
     
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    Although it can potentially matter if going through LABC as they often have a two-tiered scale of fees for works carried out. One LA near me charges £100 for works <£1000 and £230 for works >£1000.

    One LA I go through now accepts my quals 2330/2382/2391 and do not ask for cert's to be sent in to check over anymore. They do site visits as necessary and then send me a cert/letter indicating compliance. Money for old rope springs to mind.

    It would be of use to have some knowledge of Building Regs i.e. allowable sizes of notches in joists amongst other aspects.

    As TTC says though you will need access to calibrated test gear.
     
  6. B1N9S

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    Thanks "GayOwl"

    I will make some enquiries. Test equipment is not a problem.

    I have a OND & HNC - Electrical Engineering
    16th and 17th qualifications
    and hopefully 2391 (fingers crossed)

    So I think that should be ok ??
     
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    Ya welcome mate.

    Some councils are very easy going, some less so. Such is life. If you get a know-it-all I would politely argue your corner as they, in my experience, have very little knowledge of elecs. They generally want to check cable routes and main protect bonding and supp bonds.

    Give em a call, I remember slightly dreading my first site visit from LABC officer. It ended up a doddle with the bloke happy as larry and gone within 10 mins. As I say money.....rope.......old.....!

    Re quals. Would be best to check with the particular LA in Qu. regarding this. I may be wrong but I believe 2330 level3 shows competance in installation and 2391 obviously in testing and inspect. Your quals may be above and beyond this. Check with them, if you have 17th ed and 2391 and sound like you know what your doing I should imagine you will be ok.
     
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    Have you done the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings?

    City & Guilds 2393-10
    Level 3 Certificate in Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings
    The Government approved Document P (electrical safety) came into effect on 1 Jan 2005. For the first time work carried out by domestic electrical installers became subject to the requirements and procedures associated with Building Control
     
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    I haven't done the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings either, I hold most of the same quals as the OP but also have an NVQ3 apprenticeship.
    I hold enough qualifications to satisfy my local area building control that I am competent should I need to notify works, you should note that "Approved Document P" is only a guidance document issued by the ODPM at the time.
    Statutory instruments are the relevent laws, an amendment was made to the building regulations (SI 2004 No 3210) back in 2004 to add part p to them. This was later amended again by SI 2006 No 652.
     
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