Another MP stabbed - Sir David Amess in Leigh-on-Sea

[ellal]

Import third worlders: get third world violence.

Export first world politics/soldiers/weapons and the violence costs hundreds of thousands of lives...

Do the maths and then think about why some people may be a tad angry...

Oh, and don't forget to add into the equation the exploitation of the third world over a rather long period!

 

[AngleEyes]

Firstly, try to calm yourself down. Take slow, deep breaths. Cup of sweet tea is good for shock.

If it offends your sensibilities, can I suggest Mumsnet may be more suitable. I don't expect anything more disturbing or controversial being discussed than what Megan's wearing today.

Import third worlders: get third world violence.

He was killed by an immigrant.

Move along, nothing to see.

Some might find it acceptable to exploit a senseless murder in order to promote hatred against migrants, but I find it despicable, but typical
And the arrested man was British of Somalian heritage, that suggests he was born, brought up and educated in UK, and socialised in to the British way of life.
"A 25-year-old British man was arrested on suspicion of murder after officers arrived at the scene, and a knife was recovered, Essex Police said.
Government sources have told the BBC he is a UK national who, from initial inquiries, appears to be of Somali heritage."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58922522

 

[festive]

Import third worlders: get third world violence.

Thanks RAC nail on the head. When i lived abroad in various countries ive tried to integrate at times, but it's been challenging in some. Why? Because culturally and morally some things just dont seem right. Yes im still me, i don't significantly change how i react and interact with my surroundings, sure ill adapt for my own gains. Completely agree with your statement.

 

[festive]

Export first world politics/soldiers/weapons and the violence costs hundreds of thousands of lives...

Do the maths and then think about why some people may be a tad angry...

Oh, and don't forget to add into the equation the exploitation of the third world over a rather long period!

Agree with this too you reap what you sow. However it still doesn't deny what RnC observed we are potentially importing this hatred back into our back yard. Why do people feel the need to slap the 'offensive' tag on anyone actually making real world observations when its intent isn't to be offensive but merely debate cause and effect?

 

[AngleEyes]

Agree with this too you reap what you sow. However it still doesn't deny what RnC observed we are potentially importing this hatred back into our back yard. Why do people feel the need to slap the 'offensive' tag on anyone actually making real world observations when its intent isn't to be offensive but merely debate cause and effect?

When people exploit the murder of a politician by a British born, educated, socialised man to promote hatred against immigrants, it is offensive.

 

[festive]

I can see a future where MP's hold their surgerys in the presence of a uniformed PC.

I've always been puzzled as to why terrorists seem to target commuters on buses & tube trains, young concert goers, shoppers, drinkers & horses !

Why do they tend to target us, the general population & not the policy makers?

I know where my MP lives, if I knock on the door at the right time I'm fairly sure it will be him that answers . . . . They must be aware of their vulnerability !

Completely agree, possibly start by asking those insulation freaks, as they seem to have the same mindset.

'Lets **** off the general public that will do it.'

 

[festive]

When people exploit the murder of a politician by a British born, educated, socialised man to promote hatred against immigrants, it is offensive.

Exploit - make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.

We are debating the potential cause here of the loss of a life in such a tragic way, be this a young lad from gang crime, innocent bystander or politician we are debating cause and effect, if you find that offensive then i question your motive also.

 

[AngleEyes]

We are debating the potential cause here of the loss of a life in such a tragic way, be this a young lad from gang crime, innocent bystander or politician we are debating cause and effect, if you find that offensive then i question your motive also.

Total nonsense, there is little discussion about the potential cause of the loss of life, there is simply a promotion of hatred against immigrants because the culprit happened to be of a heritage not British. He was a British born, educated and socialised man, with a different colour skin, who apparently became a terrorist.
That is not a reason to promote hatred against first-generation, second-generation or any other generation of immigrants. It's pure hate driven bigotry.

 

[festive]

must be the fault of a white person somewhere that caused him to do it. evry thing boils down to racism these days, we must all hang our heads in shame at our colonial past.

Tip my hat to your facetious observation This couldn't be more pertinent in todays society. Indeed we should hang our heads in shame. Lets erase our past completely, its one big shame, that we rightly should carry full responsibility forever more from our british ancestors. White and ashamed.

 

[festive]

Total nonsense, there is little discussion about the potential cause of the loss of life, there is simply a promotion of hatred against immigrants because the culprit happened to be of a heritage not British. He was a British born, educated and socialised man, with a different colour skin, who apparently became a terrorist.
That is not a reason to promote hatred against first-generation, second-generation or any other generation of immigrants. It's pure hate driven bigotry.

Flip it Angel, you and i know had this been a white person killing a somalian it would be a ten year investigation costing us millions in man hours(sorry if i offended there i mean women too) and compensation to everyone ever related to ensure we ensure in every way possible none of us british are racist in any way whatsoever.

Im not saying this to cause or instigate hatred i am merely observing how it is here today.

No racism is not acceptable in any way or promoting hatred, but we can debate what is driving these people to do so.

On a side not how do you perceive me with my avatar? Whats your first thought..go on

 

[AngleEyes]

Tip my hat to your facetious observation This couldn't be more pertinent in todays society. Indeed we should hang our heads in shame. Lets erase our past completely, its one big shame, that we rightly should carry full responsibility forever more from our british ancestors. White and ashamed.

No-one is suggesting that the past should be erased, only that the past, all of it, including the bits that have been covered up for so long, is recognised.
This murder might be a case in point. We do not know the motivation for the murder. One thing I will bet on, is that if the murder was motivated by some senseless act of terror in a far flung place by the UK, it will never be allowed to see the light of day. It will be a forever buried motivation. UK government forbids that the UK Government's action at some point in history should ever be seen as the motivation for murder today.

 

[ellal]

Thanks RAC nail on the head. When i lived abroad in various countries ive tried to integrate at times, but it's been challenging in some. Why? Because culturally and morally some things just dont seem right. Yes im still me, i don't significantly change how i react and interact with my surroundings, sure ill adapt for my own gains. Completely agree with your statement.

Ah, so you expect people who come here to adapt to our 'values' (whatever they are), and yet admit you can't do the same in reverse...

Why do other cultures 'don't seem right culturally and morally' in your opinion?

I recall travelling in quite a few countries where 'hawking and spitting' on the street was the norm. Pretty disgusting until you get used to it...

But think about it for a moment. How would you explain to them taking a tissue out, doing similar and putting it back in your pocket.
You may say it's more sanitary, but to some other cultures it's disgusting behaviour!

Who is right and who is wrong?

Do you wish to impose your beliefs on them?

Tolerance of all is the only way to go!

 

[AngleEyes]

Flip it Angel, you and i know had this been a white person killing a somalian it would be a ten year investigation costing us millions in man hours(sorry if i offended there i mean women too) and compensation to everyone ever related to ensure we ensure in every way possible none of us british are racist in any way whatsoever.

Nonsense, there have been several instances of non-white people being murdered by white people, and the investigation has later been found to be wholly unreliable and racist.

No racism is not acceptable in any way or promoting hatred, but we can debate what is driving these people to do so.

Flip it, festive. What is driving these people, Reagan and Carter, and Andy11 to be racist?

On a side not how do you perceive me with my avatar? Whats your first thought..go on

I don't put much store into people's avatar. If I did, I might think that fillyboy believes he's PM.

 

[festive]

No-one is suggesting that the past should be erased, only that the past, all of it, including the bits that have been covered up for so long, is recognised.

No they are, certain figures of notoriety should no longer be projected for their positive contributions but be exposed for their racial motives.

This murder might be a case in point. We do not know the motivation for the murder. One thing I will bet on, is that if the murder was motivated by some senseless act of terror in a far flung place by the UK, it will never be allowed to see the light of day. It will be a forever buried motivation. UK government forbids that the UK Government's action at some point in history should ever be seen as the motivation for murder today.

I agree we rarely get an insight on the current cause and effect by the government. But we can still debate and discuss this ourselves. But gasping offence every moment in a debate. Like inviting the squeamish to an autopsy.

 

[AngleEyes]

Like inviting the squeamish to an autopsy.

You think the forum should have a "Potential Offensive Language" warning?
I wouldn't disagree with that.
"Warning this Forum might have Opinions, Terminology and Language and that are likely to offend"