Are we witnessing, in real time, the collapse of the left wing.

[motorbiking]

The solution is not to blame the "wealthy" or tax them to apply "balance", it is to help those who can earn more, to earn more and pay a greater contribution. It's mostly about attitude, drive and hard work. But it's also about having a mind that can spot opportunities.

Plenty of people make it, without a degree.

 

[noseall]

The solution is not to blame the "wealthy" or tax them

Don't tax the wealthy?

Why not?

 

[motorbiking]

tax

Why

to pay for vital services - see how silly it is to misquote.

 

[Odds]

I maintain that a nation where more than half the adult population has no vote cannot be described as a democracy.

You choose to disagree.

The 2024 US presidential election had been widely characterized as one of the most consequential political contests in recent US history. Although turnout was high for a presidential election – almost matching the levels of 2020 – it is estimated that close to 90 million Americans, roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. In 2022, there were 161.42 million people registered to vote in the United States. This is a decrease from the previous election, when 168.31 million people were registered to vote. Out of a population of 340m.

Do you define Democracy on how many people are registered to vote, or how many actually vote?

 

[noseall]

The solution is not to blame the "wealthy" or tax them to apply "balance", it is to help those who can earn more, to earn more and pay a greater contribution. It's mostly about attitude, drive and hard work. But it's also about having a mind that can spot opportunities.

Plenty of people make it, without a degree.

Why not tax the wealthy?

 

[motorbiking]

Why not tax the wealthy to apply balance. do you mean?

 

[Mottie]

I maintain that a nation where more than half the adult population has no vote cannot be described as a democracy.

Yeah, democracy’s great until you’re on the losing side. Take Br…. nope, mustn’t start you lot off again.

 

[noseall]

Why not tax the wealthy to apply balance. do you mean?

I'm unsure what your post means?

"...The solution is not to blame the "wealthy" or tax them to apply "balance"

Eh?

 

[noseall]

Yeah, democracy’s great until you’re on the losing side

As is always the case. Best you can do is moan like scolded whore until a solution is found.

 

[Mottie]

Best you can do is moan like scolded whore until a solution is found.

Well there’s certainly plenty of that going on. Moaning, not solution finding. Basically because there’s not a problem to solve.

 

[motorbiking]

I'm unsure what your post means?

"...The solution is not to blame the "wealthy" or tax them to apply "balance"

Eh?

Noseall is a successful builder, he is careful when quoting, employs a few staff who he treats well and gets good productivity from. He rarely has to go back to fix poor work. People like his work and are happy to pay for quality. His margins are good and his profit is about 250k per year. Noseall drives a mid range Audi

Nosenout is a bit of a slacker, he lets the guy in Travis Perkins price his jobs, he has lots of waste, screws up frequently and has to go back to fix poor work. He has a few CCJs due to sh*t work and has to price low to survive. His margins are poor and his profit is about 15k per year.

Nosenout wants Noseall to pay, not just more taxes but proportionally more taxes because he wants an Audi too. Nosenout thinks it's only fair because Noseall is wealthy. Nosenout blames wealth inequality for his inability to compete and thinks Noseall must be well connected through school chums to make his wealth. Turns out Noseall just works hard.

Should Noseall subsidise Nosenout?

 

[noseall]

Should Noseall subsidise Nosenout?

Subsidise?

The wealthy are in a position to tax. The poor are not. Simple logic.

 

[noseall]

Basically because there’s not a problem to solve.

Apart from the fact the top wealthy % in the UK see their wealth climb disproportionately, during the Tory years. How can that be when poor folk are experiencing the opposite?

 

[motorbiking]

Subsidise?

The wealthy are in a position to tax. The poor are not. Simple logic.

taxing the wealthy to apply balance is "Noseall" paying more both in total and share of income, so that "Nosenout" can get benefits and discounts (subsidised).

 

[Notch7]

The solution is not to blame the "wealthy" or tax them to apply "balance", it is to help those who can earn more, to earn more and pay a greater contribution. It's mostly about attitude, drive and hard work. But it's also about having a mind that can spot opportunities.

Plenty of people make it, without a degree.

That doesn’t explain why U.K. and USA have far higher levels of wealth inequality and far poorer living standards for majority of the citizens than most other Western countries.

And the difference is both USA and U.K. have weak political systems that allow the wealthy to buy political influence


Nor does your argument explain why wealth inequality keeps getting worse.

Nor does your argument explain why in the U.K. the wealthy keep on growing assets whilst ordinary people are seeing theirs shrinking