Armoured Cable needed

[Auss2k]

I am trying to lay some armoured cable. in a channel underneath a path I am currently fitting. I need to know the size (diameter) to order. I would like to run four cables as follows: -

1.) a 20m run to a double weatherproof socket.

2.) a 10m run to a double socket in an outhouse.

3.) a 10m run to a water feature.

4.) a cable to run low wattage garden lighting in the future.

my aim is to just run the cable for now to get the path down and get an electritian to deal with it in the future. I would prefer to 'over-engineer' the job to give me more options in the future, should they arise.

I hope this is clear enough, If you have any questions, please ask.

Andy

 

[DaftPunk]

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[Gutterball]

you would be better to lay a conduit with a draw string in it, then the electrician can lay the correct size cable when the time comes. if you bury a cable there's no way to tell if it has suffered damage. i would not be happy working with a cable i had not seen being buried.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Could you not route cable to outhouse then distribute to other outlets from there via a small consumer unit. Would this also reduce the distance of the other outlets from the outhouse.

I would strongly suggest getting the electrician you intend to complete commissioning of this on board with you now. They will be able to help you design the installation suitably for your needs and assess whether there are more practical/logical solutions to your requirements. And at the same time arrange to inspect the priority work you have done, when completed.

 

[JohnW2]

you would be better to lay a conduit with a draw string in it, then the electrician can lay the correct size cable when the time comes. if you bury a cable there's no way to tell if it has suffered damage. i would not be happy working with a cable i had not seen being buried.

I'm sure that many would say that. However, would you necessarily be happy feeding cable through conduit/ducting that you hadn't seen being buried?

Kind Regards, John

 

[DetlefSchmitz]

Just take photos during the work...

 

[Auss2k]

I will bear them in mind and try to find an electritcian. The garden is open to the public on June 22nd so the path has to be back down by then.

I was hoping I could lay the cable under the path by then and leave it in coils until I have the time to have it all connected.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If you take it upon yourself to do the design of these circuits (something you don't seem to know how to do), and their construction, who will then sign these declarations?

I being the person responsible for the design of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the design hereby CERTIFY that the said work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008, amended to 2011 except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows.

I being the person responsible for the construction of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the construction hereby CERTIFY that the said work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008, amended to 2011 except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows.

 

[Risteard]

Amended to 2013 surely.

If you take it upon yourself to do the design of these circuits (something you don't seem to know how to do), and their construction, who will then sign these declarations?

I being the person responsible for the design of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the design hereby CERTIFY that the said work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008, amended to 2011 except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows.

I being the person responsible for the construction of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the construction hereby CERTIFY that the said work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008, amended to 2011 except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows.

 

[JohnW2]

Amended to 2013 surely.

Not really. The most recent 'full' Amendment was Amendment 1 (2011), so that is the most recent version which contains forms, and hence the wording of the declarations (as quoted by BAS) - which therefore necessarily refer only to the 2011 amendment.

I suspect that very few people are even aware of Amendment 2 (2013), which was a mini-amendment Ireally an 'Addendum'), just adding a section about electric vehicles, and it certainly post-dates the most recently published wording of the declarations.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Risteard]

I am aware of that, however I would still suggest that it is incorrect to put the amendment date as 2011 rather than 2013 if it has been designed since then.

 

[ibruceuk]

Not wanting to be pedantic... but

....is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008.....

surely if one has zero knowledge or even a flawed knowledge of BS7671 then one can quite legitimately sign such a statement as it is to the best of their knowledge and belief!

Like I said I'm being pedantic! I am fully aware of the spirit of the statements BAS quoted

#lightbluetouchpaperandwithdraw

 

[JohnW2]

I am aware of that, however I would still suggest that it is incorrect to put the amendment date as 2011 rather than 2013 if it has been designed since then.

If one put "2013", one would be using a form of words for the declaration which was non-compliant with what is currently specified by BS7671 ('as amended', whenever).

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

Not wanting to be pedantic... but ...

....is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008.....

... surely if one has zero knowledge or even a flawed knowledge of BS7671 then one can quite legitimately sign such a statement as it is to the best of their knowledge and belief! ... Like I said I'm being pedantic! I am fully aware of the spirit of the statements BAS quoted

You actually said (wrote) that you didn't want to be pedantic

You're obviously correct, but (as I'm sure you know) that is a very standard type of wording for legal declarations - and for fairly obvious reasons. No-one is perfect, with infinite or flawless knowledge, and if they were asked to to make an unqualified assertion that work "was" compliant with BS7671 they would technically be breaking the law if, due to their imperfections, they made a declaration ("in all good faith") which was actually incorrect.

When legal declarations use that sort of wording, it gets a statement of what was the persons "knowlege and belief" formally documented - so that, if necessary, the adequacy of that "knowledge and belief" can subsequently be challenged and/or examined (in court if necessary) if/when required.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Plus, I imagine, what grounds they had for declaring that they had exercised reasonable skill & care...