Back Boiler struggling

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We have an old (Gas) back boiler system in a house recently acquired and it is really struggling at the moment. I would just mention that the entire system will be upgraded/replaced early 2006 after some buliding work has been completed but I need to keep it going for now during these cold months.

At the moment when the CH system is switched on the boiler sometimes comes to life but after about a minute the boiler goes off. There is hot water in the main supply pipe but it doesn't seem to reach as far as what I would regard as the nearest Rad to the boiler. The pump appears to be working OK but after a while it gets very hot so I switch the system off rather than risk damage to it.

When the system was working some of the Rads were cold at the bottom, one of the doubles didn't heat up at all on the front panel, a towel rail in the bathroom (lower floor level and installed we think about 2 years ago) didn't heat up at all. All Rads produce water if bled. There is a drain outlet on the KItchen Rad which is the lowest point of the original system.

The HW side has been temperamental for some time although it hardly ever gets switched on but at present it suffers the same symptoms as the CH. The HW is stored in 2 tallish copper cylinders joined at the top (and I think at the bottom) but can't see any feeder tank or expansion tank anywhere. There is a 22mm pipe from the top of the second cylinder which heads off through the adjacent outside wall and also down through the floor and out through another outside wall. There is a drain valve near the pump which looks as if it serves the HW system. When the system is switched on it does send hot water up the pipe to the top of the cylinder for a short while but can't feel any heat from the actual cylinder as if it doesn't seem to want to enter. The return pipe (which has a red gate valve at its highest point) gets warm when I would expect it to be cold from what should be a tank of very cold water.

Both the CH & HW systems have their own electrically operated shut-off (non-return valve??) and I have checked them and they are both functioning however I did notice that the HW valve does leak slightly when the HW system is ON.

I'd be very grateful for any suggestions from the experts or anyone who has had similar problems.

Thanks in advance.
 
Having read through a lot of other topics it looks most likely that the system may be clogged up with gunge and/or there is/are air locks. Tomorrow I will drain the system and flush out all the rads.

I need some help in this regard if someone would be so kind.

As the system doesn't seem to have a feeder tank what would be the water supply cut-off. Is it the mains stopcock or could it be the gate valve on the pipe out of the top of the hot water cylinder?

Should I drain the HW system first or the CH or doesn't it matter?

Would an air lock in the HW system affect the CH or vice versa?

Would be very grateful for any help on these points.
 
It would help if you could post (or link to) some pictures of the cylinder installation. Also what, if anything, is written on the cylinders and/or boiler? Makes, models, etc.
 
rwb said:
...The pump appears to be working OK but after a while it gets very hot...

Are you sure the pump is working, not seized?
Try removing it (shut the isolator valves either side and remove the rotor, usually 2 or 4 allen headed set screws) check the impellor is not blocked with crud and that it is still attached to the motor shaft.
The more dirt you remove the better will be the improvement :wink:
 
Chris & Meldrew, thanks for taking the time to respond will get back with some photo's tomorrow morning and will also check thoroughly the pump as suggested. I may be making an assumption about it working properly and as someone says 'never assume'. Thanks again.
 
Meldrew

As you suggested I have checked the pump this morning. It was mainly clear water that ran out of it and there was quite a deposit on the facing plate which I wiped off but not any significant amounts of crud. I carefully gave it a good wipe out and put it all back together. When I switched the CH back on it worked fine and now after about an hour everything seems OK. :)

I did inadvertently have the pump on the highest setting when it was switched on so I wonder if that initial blast may have forced a possible blockage out of the way. I noted that a couple of radiaters which previously had sizeable cool areas (lowdown) are now hot all over.

I think it would be worth draining the system and flushing out the radiators so I just need to work out where the system is fed from as there is no feeder tank. Not sure if it is the cold water supply or the Hot Water system that feeds the CH system. Chris asked for some photo's which I'll try do later and hopefully the water supply can be determined from that.

Thanks again for all your help, much appreciated.
 

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