bathroom lighting

[alansteyert1]

Extra low pre assembled CE marked lighting sets in bathroom are they notifiable

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

If you are altering/adding/extending to an existing circuit or installing a new circuit then yes, this is notifiable work.
If you are replacing like for like then notification is not needed.

 

[alansteyert1]

I was refering to guidence note K

 

[EFLImpudence]

Guidance note K has nothing to do with it - what did you mean?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If you are replacing like for like then notification is not needed.

Are we ever, ever, ever going to get rid of that invented "requirement"?

The guide to part p in reference to table 2 note b states like for like,

Invented by the writer(s). The law does not say that.

And my understanding is that a replacement (like for like) is allowed within special locations, but any other installed hardwired equipment must be notified as legal requirement.

Your understanding is slightly flawed.

You need to let go of this "like-for-like" thing.

Just read Schedule 4.

I agree with Chris, you are allowed to change like for like.

Provided the existing circuit can cope with a higher current, i.e. you wouldn't have to change the cables or the MCB, you could have a more powerful shower - there's nothing in the regulations which says the replacement one has to be the same.

 

[EFLImpudence]

This is all there is:

SCHEDULE 4 Descriptions of Work where no Building Notice or Deposit of Full Plans Required

1. Work consisting of—

(a)replacing any fixed electrical equipment which does not include the provision of—

(i)any new fixed cabling, or

(ii)a consumer unit;

(b)replacing a damaged cable for a single circuit only;

(c)re-fixing or replacing enclosures of existing installation components, where the circuit protective measures are unaffected;

(d)providing mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation, where the circuit protective measures and current carrying capacity of conductors are unaffected by the increased thermal insulation;

(e)installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding;

(f)in relation to an existing fixed building service, which is not a fixed internal or external lighting system—

(i)replacing any part which is not a combustion appliance,

(ii)adding an output device, or

(iii)adding a control device,

where resting and adjustment of the work is not possible or would not affect the use by the fixed building service of no more fuel and power than is reasonable in the circumstances;

(g)providing a self-contained fixed building service, which is not a fixed internal or external lighting system, where—

(i)it is not a combustion appliance,

(ii)any electrical work associated with its provision is exempt from the requirement to give a building notice or to deposit full plans by virtue of regulation 9 or 12(6)(b),

(iii)testing and adjustment is not possible or would not affect its energy efficiency, and

(iv)in the case of a mechanical ventilation appliance, the appliance is not installed in a room containing an open-flued combustion appliance whose combustion products are discharged through a natural draught flue;

(h)replacing an external door (where the door together with its frame has not more than 50% of its internal face area glazed);

(i)in existing buildings other than dwellings, providing fixed internal lighting where no more than 100m2 of the floor area of the building is to be served by the lighting;

(j)replacing—

(i)a sanitary convenience with one that uses no more water than the one it replaces,

(ii)a washbasin, sink or bidet,

(iii)a fixed bath,

(iv)a shower,

(v)a rainwater gutter, or

(vi)a rainwater downpipe,

where the work does not include any work to underground drainage, and includes no work to the hot or cold water system or above ground drainage, which may prejudice the health or safety of any person on completion of the work;

(k)in relation to an existing cold water supply—

(i)replacing any part,

(ii)adding an output device, or

(iii)adding a control device;

(l)providing a hot water storage system that has a storage vessel with a capacity not exceeding 15 litres, where any electrical work associated with its provision is exempt from the requirement to give a building notice or to deposit full plans by virtue of regulation 9 or 12(6)(b);

(m)installation of thermal insulation in a roof space or loft space where—

(i)the work consists solely of the installation of such insulation, and

(ii)the work is not carried out in order to comply with any requirement of these Regulations.

2. Work which—

(a)is not in a kitchen, or a special location;

(b)does not involve work on a special installation; and

(c)consists of—

(i)adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit, or

(ii)adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit.

3. Work on—
(a)telephone wiring or extra-low voltage wiring for the purposes of communications, information technology, signalling, control and similar purposes, where the wiring is not in a special location;

(b)equipment associated with the wiring referred to in sub-paragraph (a);

(c)pre-fabricated equipment sets and associated flexible leads with integral plug and socket connections.

4. For the purposes of this Schedule—

“kitchen” means a room or part of a room which contains a sink and food preparation facilities;

“self-contained” in relation to a fixed building service means consisting of a single appliance and any associated controls which is neither connected to, nor forms part of, any other fixed building service;

“special installation” means an electric floor or ceiling heating system, an outdoor lighting or electric power installation, an electricity generator, or an extra-low voltage lighting system which is not a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994(67);

“special location” means a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, seventeenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2008.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I was refering to guidence note K

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Are we ever, ever, ever going to get rid of that invented "requirement"?

So what do you consider a replacement is then?
and lets not be obnoxious but be constructive in your reply, if you could be so kind!
Based on my reply to the OP that like for like is not notifiable, are you saying it is?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

No - I'm saying that it doesn't have to be like for like to be non-notifiable.

But we have been through all this before:

Just read Schedule 4.

Thanks for the link pal. I have read it, now banging my hid against a solid object.

A replacement is a replacement.

You can replace a light with any other type of light.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

No - I'm saying that it doesn't have to be like for like to be non-notifiable.

But we have been through all this before:

I know we have and maybe I should stop using the term like for like rather than replacement.

A replacement is a replacement.
You can replace a light with any other type of light.

Am I wrong in thinking that you can not replace a LV for ELV without notification.

 

[alansteyert1]

States that modular wiring systems installed in a bathroom or special location are NOT NOTIFIABLE

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

States that modular wiring systems installed in a bathroom or special location are NOT NOTIFIABLE

What does where?
When it comes to electrical installation within the bathroom in domestic properties, you need to be looking at part p of the building regulations for notifiable and non-notifiable requirements.

 

[alansteyert1]

Look at EFLImpudense comment 3c

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Am I wrong in thinking that you can not replace a LV for ELV without notification.

Yes, you are wrong, as long as the lighting is not a special installation, i.e. as long as it is a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Look at EFLImpudense comment 3c

So the lights you're planning to install use plug & socket connections throughout - on both LV and ELV sides?