Brick lights

[Lectrician]

Last ones I did had a metal box which was sunk in to the wall during the wall build. It had two 20mm knockouts on the rear. The wall was backfilled with a flower bed, but before it was, these brick lights where looped from one to the other with bog standard PVC flexi-conduit.

3 core rubber flex from one fitting to the next, through conduit.

The lights fixed back into the box already fitted with bags of room for slack cable the rear. The lights had 16mm TRS glands (2) in the rear for two flexes.

There was also some walk over lights, and these where done in exactly the same way, with the exception of using PVC conduit, and the fact the lights where round and in the ground.

Cant recall the manufacturer, but the quality was 100%. The brick lights where all LED, and two years later are still going strong, and are on every evening. They are in a communal car park for flats. The LED matrix is easily changed. Had to change one a week or so after installation, but no probs since.

I will see if I can some details - They where not cheap though - £70 odd a pop for the walls, and I am sure it was nearly £200 for the walk over, but they where metal halide, and there was only two either side of the entrance 'bridge'.

They where all tough plastic in construction, with stainless front bezzels.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

That would certainly be my prefered method, if jointing can't be avoided altogether.

It could, if it's feasible to daisy-chain SWA from light to light (i.e. gland 2 cables into the back of each.....)

IP rated boxes will eventually fill with water when burried, and therefore IMO is not suitable. I have seen pratley boxes which have filled up too.

IP68, it says, and suitable for use underground....

 

[ban-all-sheds]

granted I did miss the "to be buried" bit

No you didn't - I hadn't mentioned that fact. I originally started to say, in that reply, that those lights would be no good either, as they're only IP44, but then I thought "I never said anything about them being buried"....

 

[Spark123]

Never used the Pratley joint boxes, have used cold pour resin joints in wet areas and blasted them with heavy water jets without problem.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Anything against cold pour resin joints?

Only the permanence, and the fact that they are even more expensive than Pratley boxes...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I will see if I can some details -

That would be good, if it's no trouble.

They where not cheap though - £70 odd a pop for the walls,

Hmmm. I know I only want 3 or 4, but...

Still, I've yet to experience the prices of products other than the unsuitable ones that Screwfix et al sell..

 

[Softus]

Show me where the law specifies the capabilities I should have.

Somewhat quaintly, the law requires you (and everyone) to be sufficiently competent to uphold a general duty of care towards anybody who might otherwise be injured by a dangerous installation.

Personally, I have no doubt that you're competent, but I also have no doubt that the law requires you to be so.

You might take that to be a weak and/or woolly specification, but it is nonetheless a specification.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The Specifier-In-Chief (aka SWMBO) has decreed that these lights are not to be switched, but instead are to be on a photocell.

I have Googled, honest, but all I can find are people who sell brick lights and dusk/dawn sensors, or brick lights and other lights with sensors built in.

Don't suppose anyone knows if you can get brick lights with integral sensors?

 

[Softus]

...these lights are not to be switched, but instead are to be on a photocell.

Could you not point out to SHM that to have one photocell per brick light would result in them lighting up at different times, and that this would make her a social outcast?

Shirley it would be better to switch (sorry, I mean enable) all the lights from one sensor? Would this solve your technical problem whilst allowing retention of genitalia?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

OK - having failed to find any IPx7 or 8 bricklights, my plan now is to have them bricked in at the back - i.e. where they are installed the wall will be 2 bricks thick, so the rears of the lights will not be directly buried.

Anybody see any problems with this?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I will see if I can some details - They where not cheap though - £70 odd a pop for the walls

That appears to be the going rate for anything decent.

As usual there seems to be no sensible middle ground between C&N ones made to be low-price, that don't even look good in photos, and expensive ones.

I quite like the look of the JCC Fresco...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

UPDATE FYI, and for anyone looking for brick light info in the future:

Never did find any brick lights that weren't either complete carp or stupidly expensive, so in the end we went with these:




More photos here: http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=127965&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

and here: http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=117827&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=