Britain waives the Rules - Reneging on the WA?

[SirGalahad]

Bojo was dead set against signing the WA when he wasn't the PM, only then to go and sign it and parade it as a victory.

Now it seems he wants to renege on the WA - what a trustworthy bunch we are. With the Japan deal not ratified and Abe retiring the Japanese are likely not to sign until after Brexit to see if they can squeeze a better deal. NZ and the USA have done the same - they will wait and see what happens re with the EU.

Bottom line - countries that renege on signed deals lose their trust and standing- how is that going to help when we need these trade agreements. Before you say WTA - Trump is neutering and sidelining that institution as we speak.

The stumbling block has been state aid - now why are the UK so obsessed with not agreeing to EU state aid - well you can't give no bid contracts to your donors and friends if you comply with state aid rules.

State Aid is a hard sell to the average Brexiteer so you tag on the issue over fisheries (a totally inconsequential part of the UK economy) but something that brexiteers can understand and get behind.

Watch this being sold as plucky UK standing upto the bullying EU. That implies the UK is weak - the strong don't get bullied.

 

[Notch7]

The govt have now twigged the NI protocol causes serious trade restrictions NI GB

And the Boris Johnson plan to artificially claim NI stays wholly in UK jurisdiction creates a hell of mess with movement of goods GB to NI and NI to ROI

Add on the fact the Tory govt have refused to allow any work on customs infrastructure because that would've meant exposing the Boris unfettered access lie, but has now meant UK are buggered because nothing is in place.

reneging on NI protocol isn't possible, the EU will protect the Single Market and NI stays in the SM for goods.
I am also not sure if it contravenes WTO regulations on external customs borders




This is what Ursula Von Leyen tweeted:

"I trust the British government to implement the Withdrawal Agreement, an obligation under international law & prerequisite for any future partnership. Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland is essential to protect peace and stability on the island & integrity of the single market"

 

[Notch7]

Customs declaration NI to GB cost =£35 to £50 per consignment

it will wreck trade between NI and GB

Island of Ireland has already started up new shipping routes that go direct to EU, cutting out GB as a land bridge, so all haulage Holyhead to Dover will disappear

RoI has been expanding its export trade to EU since 2016, it wont be bothered to lose UK trade.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Like the title!

Rule Britannia,
Britannia waives the rules
Boris always will misrule.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

it wont be bothered to lose UK trade.

The sort of No Deal that is now being envisaged will damage Irish, and NI economy.
But Ireland have the full support of EU, and whatever that takes.
Tory party no longer need DUP support.
UK will happily throw NI under the bus.

 

[Mottie]

You three. Get a room.

 

[SirGalahad]

The govt have now twigged the NI protocol causes serious trade restrictions NI GB

And the Boris Johnson plan to artificially claim NI stays wholly in UK jurisdiction creates a hell of mess with movement of goods GB to NI and NI to ROI

Add on the fact the Tory govt have refused to allow any work on customs infrastructure because that would've meant exposing the Boris unfettered access lie, but has now meant UK are buggered because nothing is in place.

reneging on NI protocol isn't possible, the EU will protect the Single Market and NI stays in the SM for goods.
I am also not sure if it contravenes WTO regulations on external customs borders




This is what Ursula Von Leyen tweeted:

"I trust the British government to implement the Withdrawal Agreement, an obligation under international law & prerequisite for any future partnership. Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland is essential to protect peace and stability on the island & integrity of the single market"

If Biden wins then Bojo is in trouble a Biden has said they want to honour the GFA.

Trump will backslide on that giving Bojo wiggle room. Bojo will not enforce a Customs Arrangement on the UK side foricing the EU to set it up and thus claim the EU is puttin up borders.

It's a game to Bojo and Cummings when real lives and livelihoods of millions are at stake.

 

[SirGalahad]

You three. Get a room.

Reneging on the WA - no response?

 

[Mottie]

Reneging on the WA - no response?

Get a triple bed - you’ll only argue with a double and a single.

 

[Vinty]

Customs declaration NI to GB cost =£35 to £50 per consignment

it will wreck trade between NI and GB

Island of Ireland has already started up new shipping routes that go direct to EU, cutting out GB as a land bridge, so all haulage Holyhead to Dover will disappear

RoI has been expanding its export trade to EU since 2016, it wont be bothered to lose UK trade.

What are these new shipping routes.
The most direct way to Europe from Ireland is still across mainland Britain, if there were easier and more convenient routes to Europe the Irish would have been using them years ago.

 

[fillyboy]

I am also not sure if it contravenes WTO regulations on external customs borders

If it didn't contravene wto regs in the pre eu days, it certainly doesn't now.

Best interpretation I've seen so far if from Guido:

Guido understands the Government was caught out by last night’s FT scoop claiming various provisions of the Withdrawal Agreement will be “disapplied” in the event of no Free Trade Agreement being reached. Downing Street is very annoyed at not having been able to explain the plans in their own terms. Not that there was much clarity from ministers this morning…

The Government’s plans are not as dramatic as first appears. As things stands the Withdrawal Agreement committed the UK and the EU to establishing a joint committee to oversee, monitor, and interpret the application of the Agreement. In the event of no agreement being reached there will also by definition be no agreement over the interpretation of the WA, and its Irish Protocol, which is in parts extraordinarily vague. This is where Wednesday’s legislation comes in…

The description being used by Government is as a “safety net” so there will be clear interpretation of the protocol in UK law that does not risk creating internal borders within the UK – a move that itself may have implications for the Northern Irish peace process. The Government’s interpretation of the treaty “will not allow barriers to internal trade” according to a source close to the plans. The Government sees this as a pro-Union, legal move. Remainers see it as the opposite. We won’t get to see the specifics until Wednesday…

It certainly seems to have got the eu in a flap, they're sounding a bit keener for a deal.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-open-fair-competition-idUSKBN25Y14D?il=0

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission said it was determined to quickly reach a deal with Britain on a future economic and trade relationship, but underlined it would have to ensure fair competition.

“We are fully concentrated on making the most out of this week’s negotiating round... we share prime minister Johnson’s desire to reach a deal quickly. We will do everything in our power to reach an agreement,” a Commission spokesman told a regular news briefing.

He said a no-deal Brexit would “inevitably create barriers to trade and cross border exchanges that do not exist today” and noted the EU wanted a future relationship agreement to ensure fair competition.

Barnier will at this very moment be stood outside Merkels office waiting to have his @RSE spanked.
Should be an interesting meeting tomorrow.

 

[Notch7]

What are these new shipping routes.
The most direct way to Europe from Ireland is still across mainland Britain, if there were easier and more convenient routes to Europe the Irish would have been using them years ago.

Before Brexit using GB as a land bridge was easy.

Not now, UK will not be in SM any more NI will.

I'll look up the new routes and post the ferry web link

 

[IT Minion]

What are these new shipping routes.
The most direct way to Europe from Ireland is still across mainland Britain, if there were easier and more convenient routes to Europe the Irish would have been using them years ago.

There is water all around the island of Great Britain. Much of this water can be used by ships.

Whilst it might have been more convenient to ship things via Great Britain in the past, with the additional border checks and paperwork it's going to be less convenient in the future and possibly cheaper to ship by sea.

This is a very good thing, Kent is going to be a lorry park so anything we can avoid parking there is a massive win.

 

[IT Minion]

Personally I find it has dropping that were willing to try to backtrack on our Legal commitments. We signed the Withdrawal agreement, trying to weasel out of it now is just shameful.

 

[IT Minion]

The Government’s interpretation of the treaty “will not allow barriers to internal trade” according to a source close to the plans. The Government sees this as a pro-Union, legal move. Remainers see it as the opposite. We won’t get to see the specifics until Wednesday…

We explicitly agreed to barriers for internal trade as part of the Withdrawal agreement if there was no further deals struck. Now we're saying we don't like that and so we

Trying to rewrite that bit of history is going to be very difficult. It will inevitably result in a hard border in Ireland instead.

If it didn't contravene wto regs in the pre eu days, it certainly doesn't now.

WTO says that unless you've got an agreement in place all countries being traded with under WTO rules are treated equally. So if we're giving the EU a pass on import checks we have to do that for every country that we trade under WTO rules with. If we don't, then they'll see us in court.