Bye Bye Gary

[noseall]

I think you dishonestly pretend that is the case.

Notch for example, often argued about Labour and their stance on antisemitism (Corbyn era), I remember it well.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

‘Zionism’ as a concept remains a valid topic for academic and political debate, both within and outside Israel. The word ‘Zionist’ (or worse, ‘Zio’) as a term of abuse, however, has no place in a civilised society. It has been tarnished by its repeated use in antisemitic and aggressive contexts. Antisemites frequently use the word ‘Zionist’ when they are in fact referring to Jews, whether in Israel or elsewhere. Those claiming to be “anti-Zionist, not antisemitic” should do so in the knowledge that 59% of British Jewish people consider themselves to be Zionists. If these individuals genuinely mean only to criticise the policies of the Government of Israel, and have no intention to offend British Jewish people, they should criticise “the Israeli Government”, and not “Zionists”. For the purposes of criminal or disciplinary investigations, use of the words ‘Zionist’ or ‘Zio’ in an accusatory or abusive context should be considered inflammatory and potentially antisemitic. This should be communicated by the Government and political parties to those responsible for determining whether or not an incident should be regarded as antisemitic.

Response

The Crown Prosecution Service will consider the words ‘Zionist’ or ‘Zio’ for inclusion as part of its current guidance for prosecutors. The guidance covers lessons from practice and reflects on the changing nature of language and terminology in relation to anti-Semitism. As with all terminology, consideration would be given to all the facts and the specific circumstances of its use.

https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/commons-committees/home-affairs/CM9386-Select-Comittee-Response-Antisemitism-in-UK.pdf

No-one has used the word Zio, nor used Zionist as a term of abuse.
It's you that is claiming that anyone has used Zionist as term of abuse.
It is perfectly acceptable to discuss Zionists or Zionism in political debate.
That is what we are doing.

 

[noseall]

I think you dishonestly pretend that is the case.

Tom however joined this year so no good researching him..

Give me a list of all those you imagine to be antisemitic, please?

 

[MNW67]

Have you a link to anything to support your thought?

The first anti-Zionists were actually Jews. In fact, Zionism was opposed by the vast majority of Jews before the 1930s. The first Zionists were actually antisemites.

 

[motorbiking]

Tom however joined this year so no good researching him..

Give me a list of all those you imagine to be antisemitic, please?

Are you stupid?

Tom is ten names, himmy, scarlet pimp, bobby dazler etc etc .

 

[noseall]

Tom is ten names, himmy, scarlet pimp, baby dazler etc etc .

Is he on your antisemitic list?

 

[fillyboy]

No-one has used the word Zio, nor used Zionist as a term of abuse.
It's you that is claiming that anyone has used Zionist as term of abuse.
It is perfectly acceptable to discuss Zionists or Zionism in political debate.
That is what we are doing.

Yes but the tweet that Gary deleted came with a little picture of a rat to denote Jews as vermin.

Is that anti semitic? or do you subscribe to the belief that Jews are vermin?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

The first anti-Zionists were actually Jews.

I agree.

In fact, Zionism was opposed by the vast majority of Jews before the 1930s.

I agree.

The first Zionists were actually antisemites.

I disagree. Zionism grew among some Jews from the persecution they experienced especially in eastern Europe and Russia.. But it was very much a minor movement.
Many Jews were well established in their adopted countries, e,.g USA and UK, and did not support Zionism.

 

[Brigadier]

I think you dishonestly pretend that is the case

The irony.

But when you refer to Zionists as a term of abuse toward Jews

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Is that anti semitic? or do you subscribe to the belief that Jews are vermin?

Your question is very silly.
Do I agree with your opinion, or am I a racist? Are you still beating your wife?
Go outside and give your whole self a shake. Then take a shower, and dose yourself with something. Your'e infested with preconceived ideas.

Yes but the tweet that Gary deleted came with a little picture of a rat to denote Jews as vermin.

Did it? Have you seen it?

Is that anti semitic?

But to answer the question you should have asked:
I don't know, I haven't seen it. Have you?

 

[MNW67]

Zionism and anti-Zionism are complex concepts which mean different things to different people. Why not just criticise the actions of the government of Israel instead. Then everybody is clear about what is being said.

 

[motorbiking]

Its easy to find.

Its not very believable that someone would think Zionism explained in 2 mins, with a picture of a rat - is not a perfect example of spreading hatred.

 

[motorbiking]

Zionism and anti-Zionism are complex concepts which mean different things to different people. Why not just criticise the actions of the government of Israel instead. Then everybody is clear about what is being said.

Exactly!

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Is he on your antisemitic list?

He has a little list?

[Chorus]
He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Zionism and anti-Zionism are complex concepts which mean different things to different people. Why not just criticise the actions of the government of Israel instead. Then everybody is clear about what is being said.

Because we are discussing Zionism.
We are not discussing the actions of the Israeli government. That is in another thread.