Given what the kitchen fitters did, is there any guarantee that it wasn't uninsulated....?Adam_151 said:I think he may be refering to the fact that the daily mail reported that the cable was not insulated
ban-all-sheds said:Turned out the kitchen fitters ran a fan cable in a meandering diagonal route, and some time later her husband put up some shelves, and screwed into the live. The woman was emptying the dishwasher, had one hand on the case and with the other touched the shelf bracket, and that was that..
That's precisely why she died - if the DW had not been earthed, she'd still be with us.securespark said:But surely this is a classic situation where earthing should strut its funky stuff?
No - the shelf was live - the screw only penetrated the live core, so created no fault condition. What are the odds against that? You couldn't do it if you tried. The earth fault was completed when she touched the shelf and the DW.D/W faulty? In which case (very naughty though the fitters were) it was not entirely their fault?
That would have helped a great deal, as would the idea I often ridicule of applying equipotential bonding to shelves...Surely a case for an RCD?
Same thing could have happened in any room which also had an earthed object to touch, but I agree it's more likely in those areas.That is why Kitchens come under Special Loc's under the new rules, along with Conservatories, Bathrooms, Saunas etc....
Part P will no more stop this than the ban on handguns has stopped people getting shot.They don't want people not knowing what they're doing wiring in these locations.
Just wondered how you not get a electric shock off the screwdriver shaft(?), maybe the last turn of a screw pinch the live slightly or using a cordless drill (?) a rawlplug must have been used so a screw was too long (?).ban-all-sheds said:Turned out the kitchen fitters ran a fan cable in a meandering diagonal route, and some time later her husband put up some shelves, and screwed into the live. The woman was emptying the dishwasher, had one hand on the case and with the other touched the shelf bracket, and that was that.
By not touching it? i.e. a screwdriver with a plastic or wooden handle, which is fairly common But even touching it wouldn't necessarily do anything - if you weren't also touching something earthed, or neutral, and were otherwise insulated from the mass of The Earth, no current would flow.masona said:Just wondered how you not get a electric shock off the screwdriver shaft(?),
Cordless or DI - the bit used to drill the hole would not have been earthed, so no flashbangfizzpop at that stage.maybe the last turn of a screw pinch the live slightly or using a cordless drill (?)
My guess too - if he'd drilled into the cable it would surely have stopped the fan from working.a rawlplug must have been used so a screw was too long (?).
ban-all-sheds said:Part P will no more stop this than the ban on handguns has stopped people getting shot.
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