Check my quote please? Roofer

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In the 33 years that I have been a lady home owner, I've felt taken for a ride on several occasions. I almost always have already paid, then sat down and thought it through and realised I've been exploited, ripped off and made a fool of. Older and wiser now, I try to be sensible, get quotes etc before agreeing to anything.

I'm a bit taken aback at something that happened this morning and don't know what to do.

A roofer who scores 10 out of 10 in all categories in his six reviews on Checkatrade asked to come today at 8.30am. I put myself out to make sure I was up, washed, dressed and downstairs by 8.20am, ready to receive him, but when he arrived 45" late he didn't apologise nor offer any excuse or reason.

He and a lad and went up thru the hatch to my (butterfly) roof to investigate the source of a leak that has damaged the internal decor. He did say that, if it was an easy repair he'd do it on the spot, but did not mention money at all.

He was on the roof for two hours, during which I saw them bring down three buckets of moss with a rope down the front of the house.

When he came down he said he'd done some temporary remedial work to the spot where water seems to be entering, had removed a lot of moss, and cleaned down some of my tiles. He would come back in a few weeks and do a "proper" repair, involving lead costing £360 a roll.

He then asked me for £180. Yikes... £90 a hour!

Seeing me blanch at that he said that he "had to pay the lad", and "had lots of overheads" and that he'd done lots of good work up there that needed doing.

But this still seems excessive. Regardless of what he did, he was only doing it for 2 hours. The roof has been repaired and maintained for the past ten years by an all-round builder who charged me £15 an hour for anything he did (regardless of whether it was the roofing, electrics, carpentry etc) until he recently retired. Ok I can see that a specialist roofer is going to charge more than £15 but £90 <gulp>?

Instead of paying then regretting it, I didn't pay him, saying I had no cash and he'd have to send me a bill with the work he's done clearly listed. But bottom line is, he's charging me £90 an hour for what is (mostly or wholly) cleaning moss off the roof. Is this right/fair?

I am glad I didn't pay yet. It gives me the breathing space to think, consult on here, consider and maybe challenge his bill.

Thoughts please gentlemen?

BTW I am in a depressed seaside town, not in Mayfair .... lol

LHL
 
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hi, yes your right not to have paid him, that's just taking the ... mick
he should have told you what needed doing and then quoted you a price before doing any work
and for collecting some moss off your roof, that doesn't exactly solve what ever issue you may have
he may scraped it out of your gutter, or could of taken it out the back of his van for all you know, he should have showed you or told you what he was gonna do first.
but £180... he's obviously not intending to come back and fix the problem and just after a quick buck, I'd offer him £60-80 max and ask him whats causing this,
covering petrol and 2hrs work
 
£60 for two people on a roof for 2 hrs?
Less than a spanner monkey's rates?

£15 p/h for working at heights?

No wonder they attract idiots.

The customer should have got a quote first, the roofer(?) should not have done any work without discussing the cost prior.
 
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£60 for two people on a roof for 2 hrs?
Less than a spanner monkey's rates?

£15 p/h for working at heights?

No wonder they attract idiots.

The customer should have got a quote first, the roofer(?) should not have done any work without discussing the cost prior.

yeah, no your right , forgot it was a two man job, probably not that bad a quote after all.
but then that was the problem, she didn't get a quote
 
Roofing is one of those unique trades that should carry a surcharge because of what it is.
By that I mean it is supremely more difficult to assess a job than most others on a building. Because of this, I got rid of my cat ladders years ago simply because of the PTA of carrying out or assessing roofing work.

Too expensive? Get your own ladders and do it yourself I say.

However, the OP is little foolish and the roofer a little greedy perhaps. As for working in some of those seaside towns as a roofer - not a chance with all those three storey+ buildings everywhere!
 
Both are at fault but 180 isn't excessive for the work done. You'll have to pay him though. Just a lesson for next time. He's lost all credibility with the price on the lead roll unless it's a 1200 wide by 6mtr.
 
Checkatrade isn`t a guarantee of quality :cry: . Hastings is a bit out of my area to recommend roofers. Your all rounder was too cheap but probably didn`t need much to live on . Don`t let the character come back with or without his "lead" . Ask the local council for their recommended list of trades. :idea: . The butterfly roof may well have a problem with a central gulley - but don`t let Laughing Boy up there again
 
Many thanks for the replies, gents.

To answer some queries...

Freddymercurystwin ....

I didn't ask him how much, because when I phoned him I asked him to investigate the cause of a leak, not to do any work.

Before he went up on the roof, he said he'd go up and take a look, and if it was something he could do a quick temporary repair on, he would. I just said "Ok". I expected him to take a look, and then report back to me whether he could do a temporary repair, and how much it would cost. But he didn't. At no time did I ask him to remove any moss, nor did he mention moss to me, so I didn't consent to his doing that work.

mickytOdd... I saw one bucket of moss being lowered from my roof, so it didn't come from the van. But I think he is a bona fide roofer, not some chancer. As for a two man job... the other "man" was a teenage boy, probably on minimum wage whilst learning the trade.

Noseall. My roof is very easy to access, through two hatches, one above the other, the first being on my top landing. It's also very safe up there. He didn't use cat ladders. He did not have any ladder with him at all, and used my Versaladder to get to the hatch.

I'm miffed at being called "foolish" as I don't think my actions were those of a "fool" at all. I simply sent a roofer up to investigate the cause of a leak.

Nige F... I looked again at his Checkatrade and I smell a rat. He has 10/10 on all counts, but from just six people. I've looked at a number of carpenters and electricians and many have, say, 9.0 or 9.5, but over hundreds of customers. Now I am starting to think those six could be his family & friends.

So what next? You gents seem to be divided on whether I should pay him or not. I'm expecting his invoice via email. Could I ask Trading Standards to adjudicate?
 
I phoned the Trading Standards Helpline and told them the facts of the matter.

The advisor said that the price sounds extortionate, and advised me not to pay it without disputing it and making him justify the amount charged. He said I should read his invoice then get quotes from two more roofers to see what they would charge for the same work.

He said the man cannot charge me for work that I didn't agree to have done, such as removing moss from my roof. He also cannot charge me for the repair that he says he's done, because we did not agree a price for it before he did it. The onus, he said, was on the roofer to inspect, then report back to me and agree a price before doing any work.

He then surprised me by advising me that the roofer is acting illegally! Owing to a new law, for any work costing more than £42, the trader has to put the proposed work and the price in writing to the consumer before the work is done. He said the new law came in in June. This is the link:

http://www.businesscompanion.info/e...ontracts/off-premises-sales-from-13-june-2014

Well, I knew nothing about this law... we live and learn, eh?

LHL
 
With respect to Nose and the OP . I know how certain people live and " work " in Sussex , particularly in the roofing game , the lady has been caught out .And if you don`t get them travelling up your way , Nose you are indeed lucky. New smart vans wrapped and signwritten . Ads in Trade Recommendation sites , are just part of their repertoire .Seen enough of them over the years :LOL: OP I think you`ll have to pay a large part of the bill , but not all . Take it as a lesson learned :confused:
 
Nige.. It's not ME who has been 'caught out' but the roofer, surely? After all, I didn't pay him, and now, it seems, I won't have to.

According to the trading standards officer, I don't have to pay any of the bill. (I will pay him something but not £180.)

If you follow that link and read the new law, he's acted illegally in not putting the cost of the work in writing and obtaining my consent before beginning the work.

The officer suggested paying the man what I think his time was worth and leave him to sue me for the balance. The moment the judge hears that the roofer did work without giving a quote first and therefore breaking the law, he'd throw out the case, leaving roofer with the legal bill.

I've since spoken to a local building surveyor and he suggested £75 would be a fair price.

Yes, a customer who finds out the law is a "customer from hell" to a con man or cowboy.
 

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