China has contained the pandemic .......

[FrodoOne]

Take a look at the table on this page
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
and sort it by the last column (tot cases 1m pop)

Then have a look at the Schengen area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area


Great idea this free movement!

That "table" is interesting but it is a pity that it does not give the opportunity to correlate by Population at all levels, although all columns can be sorted.
On this basis, the total cases per head of population in Italy, Iran and South Korea are much worse than in China, but China has attempted to contain the problem to one section of a very large country.
The death rates in those countries may be higher than in China but, I have not done the calculations.

If you look at Deaths versus Cases, all other countries seem to be doing better than China, Italy and Iran.
Why is it that the health system in Italy seems to be such an "Outlier"?

(I cannot find the "Peoples Republic of Korea" in this list.
I wonder why!)

 

[Brigadier]

Why is it that the health system in Italy seems to be such an "Outlier"?

Reportedly, the area of Italy hit first (and worst) is populated by those of quite a high average age. Older people are more vulnerable to the effects of the infection.

 

[JohnD]

The industrial north of Italy also suffers quite bad air pollution, which may have aggravated the severity of illness.

Italians also seem to smoke more than us, which does not help with chest infections. Strangely, Italian teens are avid smokers.

Some similarities there, to the hot spots in China.

If the figures are to be believed, UK has an average consumption, per head of population, of 828 cigarettes; and Italy 1493

China is 2043.

Cuba is only 234, and has the extra advantage of a very fine socialised health service (better than the US.)

(2016 figures)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_capita#2016_rankings

 

[JP_]

why do people try to prove stuff using misleading comparisons

Because they don't understand how the world works?

 

[Notch7]

Cuba is only 234, and has the extra advantage of a very fine socialised health service

Perhaps if the UK only paid doctirs $60 per month it might have a fine health service

 

[Mottie]

I’m starting to get seriously concerned now. If figures are to be believed, 908 have died of it in China, 10 in the U.K. but in Italy it’s gone past 1,000 deaths or so it says on the BBC news. Why so many in Italy?

 

[Brigadier]

I’m starting to get seriously concerned now. If figures are to be believed, 908 have died of it in China, 10 in the U.K. but in Italy it’s gone past 1,000 deaths or so it says on the BBC news. Why so many in Italy?

Because China are being economical with the facts?

 

[Brigadier]

China has contained the pandemic .......

It didn't look like it on News at Ten last night, when Xi Jinping was declaring victory during his photo - opportunity in Wuhan....

... wearing a mask, yards away from everyone else (who were also wearing masks), then doing an address to the nation (while wearing a mask, in an empty room).

Nothing to see here, move along.....

 

[Ryler]

Local corner shop has stacked baked beans in front of the counter to keep the customers back.
Never seen anything so ridiculous.

 

[IT Minion]

I’m starting to get seriously concerned now. If figures are to be believed, 908 have died of it in China, 10 in the U.K. but in Italy it’s gone past 1,000 deaths or so it says on the BBC news. Why so many in Italy?

Italy got a load of infections earlier than we did and didn't manage to contain it, so the spread there is ahead of us.

There's also some people claiming that it's managed to spread around some of the more vulnerable groups which has boosted the toll it's taken, but I don't know how accurate that is.

They are reporting 15,000 infections, which is very low for 1,000 dead. My personal bet is that they're under counting the number of infections or not bothering to test minor cases.

 

[JohnD]

My personal bet is that they're under counting the number of infections or not bothering to test minor cases.

Like us.

 

[FrodoOne]

The Australian Home Affairs Minister, Peter Dutton, has confirmed he has coronavirus.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-...virus/12055104

From this report it states: -
"Mr Dutton was in Sydney for a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday and returned to Brisbane on a commercial flight on the same day.

When someone contracts COVID-19 (in Australia), health officials alert people who have been in contact with them.

They are then expected to self-isolate at home and monitor their health for 14 days after the contact with the infected person.

The ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) has contacted Prime Minister Scott Morrison's office to see if he, and the Cabinet, will have to isolate themselves.

(Today) Mr Dutton missed his usual Friday morning appearance on commercial TV, at the time being described as having a "stomach bug"."

Mr Dutton met with United States Attorney-General William Barr and US President Donald Trump's daughter Ivanka while in Washington DC last week.

It comes as Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau goes into 14-day isolation in the wake of his wife, Sophie Gregoire Trudeau, testing positive for coronavirus.

 

[JP_]

China has reported 3,179 dead. Maybe the Chinese method of seeking people that might have it and isolating them and treating them is working better than the European method of asking people to call a busy hotline if they think they might have it?

Besides, containment doesn't really mean anything. Unless you can get everybody to isolate completely for a month, little hope of really containing it. People still need food, medicine etc. and not everybody can stop working for a month., especially the people making and distributing the food ... which is where it all started ...

One medical expert / government adviser was saying yesterday that really the we should expect that everybody will get it and we'll develop a "heard immunity", but only 99% of people will survive. So based on that, we need to be prepared for around 600,000 deaths in the UK.

Happy Friday everybody!

 

[Notch7]

One medical expert / government adviser was saying yesterday that really the we should expect that everybody will get it and we'll develop a "heard immunity", but only 99% of people will survive. So based on that, we need to be prepared for around 600,000 deaths in the UK.

The UK is choosing a different path to every other country.

is it because the UK is choosing a political path not scientific?

 

[IT Minion]

China has reported 3,179 dead. Maybe the Chinese method of seeking people that might have it and isolating them and treating them is working better than the European method of asking people to call a busy hotline if they think they might have it?

We are doing the former, a lot.

The hotline is to stop people who think they're infected, who overwhelmingly aren't, from mobbing GP and A&E departments. And maybe along the way catching some people that the main dragnets have missed.