Conclusion of JCHR finds pushbacks are contrary to UK law and International maritime law

[denso13]

The people putting themselves into boats are putting their own lives at risk

Unfortunately, if they are determined to come here there is no other way.

 

[blup]

Nobody cares about these silly laws, it is due to all change soon enough. Also this is not the law as it stands, this is a parliament discussion around the subject.

Silly laws? Like the ones around installing compliant led lamps. What’s the difference?

Nine years and counting since brexhit

 

[Deleted member 323070]

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[Lirefighter]

Nobody cares about these silly laws, it is due to all change soon enough. Also this is not the law as it stands, this is a parliament discussion around the subject.

The prime minister in waiting has pledged to do away with all of these expensive and unaccountable quangos.
Only a few years to go.

 

[Highway Man]

Silly laws? Like the ones around installing compliant led lamps. What’s the difference?

Nine years and counting since brexhit

Some LED lamps are annoying to people and can be damaging to your health. We are actually turning off a lot of lights on roads now, especially fast moving roads.

 

[MNW67]

and can be damaging to your health.

OMG! How?

 

[Highway Man]

OMG! How?

The brightness of the LED is disturbing peoples sleep and making them ill through lack of sleep also giving some people headaches, they can also affect the wildlife which is more of a concern to me. Birds etc can get confused with the time as they use the dark as their body clocks

 

[MNW67]

The brightness of the LED is disturbing peoples sleep and also giving headaches, they can also affect the wildlife which is more of a concern to me. Birds etc can get confused with the time as they use the dark as their body clocks

I heard some can get turned down a bit, later at night. How do they do that. I couldn't work it out from the timer you showed previously.

 

[Notch7]

Nobody would disagree with this as a policy. Unfortunately, its not happening

it is not a policy.

it is the Joint Committee Human Rights understanding of the law as it stands

The article is nothing more than recommendations.

Incorrect, it proves pushbacks are illegal



it is legislative scrutiny which proves pushbacks are incompatible with current laws that are in place.

to help you I have quoted the relevant part:

"A policy of pushbacks fails to comply with the obligations to save those in distress, contrary to the right to life and international maritime law. Moreover, pushbacks would do the opposite of what is required to save lives. Pushbacks would create a situation where state actors were actively placing individuals in situations that would increase the risk to life. Under the current conditions, we cannot see how a policy of pushbacks can be implemented without risking lives, contrary to the UK’s obligations under the right to life and international maritime law."

 

[Highway Man]

I heard some can get turned down a bit, later at night. How do they do that. I couldn't work it out from the timer you showed previously.

It is all done via our traffic management software and sensors. We turn them full brightness till midnight after which we dim them at 10% in intervals until we have them to 30% of full brightness. We also have some with sensors that measure the darkness and auto dim to suit the conditions that we set.

 

[Lirefighter]

it is not a policy.

it is the Joint Committee Human Rights understanding of the law as it stands




Incorrect, it proves pushbacks are illegal



it is legislative scrutiny which proves pushbacks are incompatible with current laws that are in place.

to help you I have quoted the relevant part:

"A policy of pushbacks fails to comply with the obligations to save those in distress, contrary to the right to life and international maritime law. Moreover, pushbacks would do the opposite of what is required to save lives. Pushbacks would create a situation where state actors were actively placing individuals in situations that would increase the risk to life. Under the current conditions, we cannot see how a policy of pushbacks can be implemented without risking lives, contrary to the UK’s obligations under the right to life and international maritime law."

That sounds just like something you would say.
This quango has no more authority than you do, although they do have a good deal of influence, unfortunately.
Those on the board all know the score.
Do as they are told, repeat the narrative, find ways to manipulate the data and they get paid at the end of the month.
The plebs can't get rid of you, it's only us who can. Capeesh!

 

[Lirefighter]

It is all done via our traffic management software and sensors. We turn them full brightness till midnight after which we dim them at 10% in intervals until we have them to 30% of full brightness. We also have some with sensors that measure the darkness and auto dim to suit the conditions that we set.

Is that system used on motorways/ A roads, or just in residential areas?
Happy birthday BTW.
I know you don't like a fuss, but I couldn't help it.
Hope there's been no dramas during the celebrations.

 

[motorbiking]

it is not a policy.

it is the Joint Committee Human Rights understanding of the law as it stands




Incorrect, it proves pushbacks are illegal



it is legislative scrutiny which proves pushbacks are incompatible with current laws that are in place.

to help you I have quoted the relevant part:

"A policy of pushbacks fails to comply with the obligations to save those in distress, contrary to the right to life and international maritime law. Moreover, pushbacks would do the opposite of what is required to save lives. Pushbacks would create a situation where state actors were actively placing individuals in situations that would increase the risk to life. Under the current conditions, we cannot see how a policy of pushbacks can be implemented without risking lives, contrary to the UK’s obligations under the right to life and international maritime law."

Are you suggesting it's a judicial review? it isn't. It has conclusions and recommendations, which would suggest that we deploy sanctions on the French for allowing people to cross in breach of their human rights.

 

[Hairymelon]

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Conclusions and recommendations by Human Rights Joint Committee

1) A policy of pushbacks fails to comply with the obligations to save those in distress, contrary to the right to life and international maritime law

2) Pushbacks would create a situation where state actors were actively placing individuals in situations that would increase the risk to life.

3) Under the current conditions, we cannot see how a policy of pushbacks can be implemented without risking lives, contrary to the UK’s obligations under the right to life and international maritime law

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt5802/jtselect/jtrights/885/88513.htm

So here we are. Uk in desperate state. Everything you can think of is screwed, and this is what this traitorous lemming thinks is valid.

 

[Notch7]

Everything you can think of is screwed

Most of the problems in this country are a result of 45 years of neo liberal free market ideology leading to massive wealth inequality.

I have a feeling you are a right wing Tory and now Reform supporter.

Ironic really that you support the parties that have screwed this country.

I bet you voted for Brexit too….another nail in the doffing of U.K. PLC.

But you think foreigners are to blame because millionaire privately educated stockbroker establishment man Farage told you to.

traitorous lemming thinks is valid.

Stating facts is not being traitorous