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Could you/would you run a plug socket off this?

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by simondyntDBeK, 29 Sep 2021.

  1. bernardgreen

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    I haven't seen any examples of advice being given to ignore people who are factually right.
     
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    There goes another topic down the toilet. Thank you, @winston1 :mad::mad:
     
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  4. winston1

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    Not me, you should thank SUNRAY who told people to ignore me.

    This is what I wrote:
    "Note it is bad practice to put a 13 amp socket on the lighting circuit even though the non statuary regs allow it, for the reasons stated above that someone may plug a kettle, or in the case of a barn, a lawn mower into it. Better to fit a 5 amp socket and change the plug on the camera."

    Nothing factually wrong with that. I even said the regs allowed it.

    This is what SUNRAY wrote:

    "I forgot to mention winston1 will offer a comment which can be totally ignored as there are no restrictions on the size of the fuse/mcb feeding a 13A socket."

    That was rude and insulting.
     
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    No it wasn’t. your post was
    YOUR OPINION

    Sunray’s was FACTUALLY CORRECT.
    I’m sorry that you cannot tell the difference.
     
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  6. bernardgreen

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    And the regs allow for a 13 Amp socket to be fitted to a circuit fed from a 6 Amp MCB ( or wired fuse ) something which Winston1's opinion does not permit
     
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    There you go, if you were to clearly state that your post is purely your opinion, as I've suggested in red above, we wouldn't be in a position to repeatedly correct your posts.
    Unlike my factually correct statement, which you have so kindly quoted, which needs no such amendment.
     
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    I repeat that the regs allow it. But it is obviously bad practice. FACTUALLY CORRECT.

    SUNRAY’s post was rude and insulting.
     
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    It is not obviously bad practice. If it were then the regulations would not permit it.

    That is the point of the regulations, to guide people as to the safe way to do things.

    So how does your assertion make your statement “factually correct”?
    It is the reverse. Your interjection, by definition, is factually incorrect.
    The FACTS are that a 13A socket is permitted to be connected to a lighting circuit. FACT.

     
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  11. winston1

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    The regs are obviously wrong, not for the first time. Some day they will be corrected, not for the first time.
    I know that and did point that out in my post. That does not alter the fact that it is bad practice.
     
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    Opinions about practices will obviously vary, but the only 'official' arbiter of what is good/bad practice in BS7671 (which, in the prsent context, explicitly permits what you regard as 'bad practice').

    You are obviously free to have a personal opinion that the regulation in question is 'incorrect', and represents 'bad practice', but the fact that many others don't agree with you underlines the fact that is IS nothing more than your personal opinion.

    As has been said, if you were to make it clear that your controversial (not accepted by a lot of others) statements were just your personal opinions, rather than (as you do) assert them as alleged 'facts', then you would get a loti less flak, and would confuse/mislead far fewer people
     
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    Only in your opinion.
    In my opinion the speed limit in all towns should be 10mph, but that is not what the traffic regulations say.
    Not they are not obviously wrong. The fact that you do not agree with them does not make the regulations wrong, it makes YOU wrong.

    What is so bad is that you are misleading the poor unwary users of this forum who come here for advice from people who know what they are taking about. And that is not you.
     
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    I suspect the only reason that the powers that be of this forum have not carried out the threat to ban him, is because he excites an increase in traffic which equates to more advertising hits. But it's making the forum much less useful.
     
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    No, quite the contrary, the regs are obviously perfectly OK and the proof of this is the many thousands, and possibly millions, of <7A circuits across BS7671 land containing 13A sockets where nothing has ever gone wrong. That does not raise anything to say that it is bad practice.

    If it was the bad practice you keep referring to, we would get regular posts on this forum complaining about the problem and asking advice how to correct it.

    If it was the bad practice you keep referring to, we'd be getting national news reports about; blah blah blah caused by a socket on the lighting circuit.
     
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    I’ve known of three cases of lights being tripped due to a 13 amp socket on a lighting circuit.
    1. A kettle being plugged into a garage socket tripped downstairs lights.
    2. A vacuum cleaner being plugged into a loft socket tripped upstairs lights plunging the loft into darkness.
    3. A pneumatic drill plugged into an outside socket tripped all the outside lights.

    In each case the sockets were on 6 amp lighting circuits and I had to rewire them to the appropriate rings.

    But I did not post on here asking how to correct it nor did l report it on the national news.
     
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    Stop it Winston.

    1 & 2 - So what? Don't do it again.

    3 - How many amps is a pneumatic drill?




    Have asked before:

    Do you only have two sockets on each of your 32A circuits?

    Three would surely be asking for trouble.
     
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