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Could you/would you run a plug socket off this?

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by simondyntDBeK, 29 Sep 2021.

  1. JohnW2

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    Indeed - and even two would be asking for trouble if they were double sockets.

    Kind Regards, John
     
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  3. JohnW2

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    If it really were "pneumatic", it would (at least in itself) presumably not using any 'amps' at all?

    ... I thought he was the one who insists on precisely correct terminology to refer to anything/everything?

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  4. winston1

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    1 is tedious.
    2 possibly a foot or worse through the ceiling.
    3 enough to trip a 6 amp MCB on startup.

    Re your question, no.
     
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    Therefore the problem that only you seem to have been troubled by has gone away...

    Surely that's the end of it.

    However despite being in the regs: In my opinion
    1. Wiring a garage socket onto a lighting circuit is poor design as potential loads are large.
    2. Don't plug heavy loads into loft sockets as they are very likely to be on small OCPD's.
    3. Wiring an outside socket onto a lighting circuit is poor design as potential loads are large.

    If all the other thousands of similar installations had the same problems we would have been hearing about them in their droves... however we don't hear about them.

    Alternatively: I wonder if you have ever thought to start a thread asking for people to offer their experience with similar installations, if such information would be forthcoming you could start a crusade with the authors to ammend the regs when you provide the evidence for them.
     
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    As I have said this is clearly a case of the regs being wrong. Not for the first time either.

    Remember that nonsense a few years back when sparks were bonding just about all exposed metal, door knobs, window frames etc because the regs were wrong?
     
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    What a load of tosh. Nothing you have written proves or even demonstrates the regs are wrong, 2 of your listed installations are examples of poor circuit design, nothing more.
    I remember that well, despite having to do loads of such bonding which was a right royal PITA I still don't describe it as wrong as it was a kneejerk reaction to a rising problem. Luckily for us it has been reassessed, as all elements of the regs are, and the rules have been clarified/ammended as appropriate.
    There are many things that have come and gone in the regs over the years and all of them are for a reason.
    Now we are even seeing the acceptance of the 'earth' wire going through a contactor in EV points as a safety feature.

    One of the things I think is wrong but you show total acceptance of is wiring #3KW ovens to 32A circuits without fusing down. I accept the regs appear to promote it and accordingly I accept it's legitimacy for now until it's removed again after a few more fires occur.
     
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    I thought we had decided (thanks to Securespark if I remember correctly showing the wording) that the 15th edition was virtually word for word the same as the later versions regarding bonding and the fad for bonding everything during that time must have been because of misreading, as still happens today, with people disregarding the fact that the regulations only apply to extraneous-conductive-parts.
     
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    @simondyntDBeK

    Back to the topic. Have you had enough advice now for you to decide what to do to answer your question? :whistle::whistle:
     
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    And that poor design is the bad practice of putting 13 amp sockets on a lighting circuit.
     
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    The fuse is to protect the cable not the oven on the end of it which should be internally protected.
     
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    STOP STOP STOP
    you have repeated your interpretation of this issue over and over again. More than once on this topic.

    Please can we get back to the issue, although, I expect, he/she - like so many - have just given up.
     
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    I felt the OP had the initial information in the early posts and hasn't posted since then.
    On that basis I'll guess he made his decision.
     
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    But it usually has a 1.5mm² flex so by your description it requires fusing down otherwise this may happen...[​IMG]
     
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    Winston1 cannot stop himself.
     
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  17. JohnW2

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    True, but others have the power to stop him (at least, here) if only they would choose to exercise that power!

    Kind Regards, John
     
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