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Running cable for heat sensor in kitchen [new extension] any guide to location of sensor in relation to oven? the ceiling immediately above the oven is vaulted but is only narrow at about 1.5m, should sensor be fitting to main ceiling [2.4m height] as close as possible to oven location?
Also mains ring main being extended in lounge, walls are thermalite and will have insulated plasterboard on them. What's best to protect the cable when fitting to wall.?
 
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What sort of sensor are we talking about? What does it control?
I assumed that the OP was talking about a 'fire alarm', heat-, rather than smoke-detecting because it was in a kitchen.
Cables in/on walls do not need any protection whatever, providing they are run in the specified safe zones
Other than, of course, RCD protection.

Kind Regards, John
 
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A heat sensor, yes. I have run one recently. It is for controlling the under floor heating.

Position of a heat alarm would be in a different place.

You can guess, if you like. I'm waiting for clarification.
 
What sort of sensor are we talking about? What does it control?
I assumed that the OP was talking about a 'fire alarm', heat-, rather than smoke-detecting because it was in a kitchen.
Cables in/on walls do not need any protection whatever, providing they are run in the specified safe zones
Other than, of course, RCD protection.

Kind Regards, John
That's correct heat alarm sensor, [smoke alarm will be going in top and bottom of stairs.]
So any guidelines on location? in kitchen.
 
Ahh, ok
This is a good, general guide
http://www.safelincs.co.uk/positioning-of-smoke-and-heat-alarms/

Heat alarms go off at 56°C. I wouldnt expect any of the wall or celing surfaces in your kitchen will get that hot.

Alarms come with installation instructions that tell you where not to put them. Have you not read yours??

Example:


DON’T place Smoke or Heat Alarms in any of the following areas:

• Places where the normal temperature can exceed 40°C or be below 4°C (e.g. attics, furnace rooms, directly above ovens or kettles etc.) as the heat/steam could cause nuisance/false alarms.

• Near a decorative object, door, light fitting, window moulding etc., that may prevent smoke or heat from entering the Alarm.

• Surfaces that are normally warmer or colder than the rest of the room (e.g. attic hatches). Temperature differences might stop smoke or heat from reaching the unit.

• Next to or directly above heaters or air conditioning vents, windows, wall vents etc. that can change the direction of airflow.

• In very high or awkward areas (e.g. over stairwells) where it may be difficult to reach the alarm (for testing, hushing or battery replacement).

• Locate away from very dusty or dirty areas as dust build-up in the chamber can impair performance. It can also block the insect screen mesh and prevent smoke from entering the smoke detector chamber.

• Locate the unit at least 1m from dimmer controlled lights and wiring as some dimmers can cause interference.

• Locate unit at least 1.5m and route wiring at least 1m away from fluorescent light fittings as electrical “noise” and/or flickering may affect the unit. Do not wire into the same circuit as fluorescent lights or dimmers.
 
Ahh, ok
This is a good, general guide
http://www.safelincs.co.uk/positioning-of-smoke-and-heat-alarms/

Heat alarms go off at 56°C. I wouldnt expect any of the wall or celing surfaces in your kitchen will get that hot.

Alarms come with installation instructions that tell you where not to put them. Have you not read yours??

Example:


DON’T place Smoke or Heat Alarms in any of the following areas:

• Places where the normal temperature can exceed 40°C or be below 4°C (e.g. attics, furnace rooms, directly above ovens or kettles etc.) as the heat/steam could cause nuisance/false alarms.

• Near a decorative object, door, light fitting, window moulding etc., that may prevent smoke or heat from entering the Alarm.

• Surfaces that are normally warmer or colder than the rest of the room (e.g. attic hatches). Temperature differences might stop smoke or heat from reaching the unit.

• Next to or directly above heaters or air conditioning vents, windows, wall vents etc. that can change the direction of airflow.

• In very high or awkward areas (e.g. over stairwells) where it may be difficult to reach the alarm (for testing, hushing or battery replacement).

• Locate away from very dusty or dirty areas as dust build-up in the chamber can impair performance. It can also block the insect screen mesh and prevent smoke from entering the smoke detector chamber.

• Locate the unit at least 1m from dimmer controlled lights and wiring as some dimmers can cause interference.

• Locate unit at least 1.5m and route wiring at least 1m away from fluorescent light fittings as electrical “noise” and/or flickering may affect the unit. Do not wire into the same circuit as fluorescent lights or dimmers.
Thanks, have not purchased units yet awaiting a reply from manufacturer as have found a mains linked smoke alarm but their latest model heat alarm in not listed as being compatible , in fact it's not list at all even on there web site.
Don't want to buy three alarm units only to find the newer model is not backward compatible with older units.
 
Finished tacking the cable to thermalite, clips failed even with changing pins to 50mm length, has 1/2 a bucket of roofing aluminium nails left [50mm] which worked much better but required pinning top and bottom of each cable around 200mm spacing.
 
Finished tacking the cable to thermalite, clips failed even with changing pins to 50mm length, has 1/2 a bucket of roofing aluminium nails left [50mm] which worked much better but required pinning top and bottom of each cable around 200mm spacing.
Did you try nailing into the mortar?

Kind Regards, John
 
I would still have capped despite dot&dab, I find it's quicker than messing about with clips that love to bounce out of thermalite. And there's certainly no harm in it
 

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