Crown solo 1 coat guarentee

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They promise it will cover in one coat or your money back.

It didn't (close, but no cigar), but they did give me my money back straight away with no hassle, so free paint, can't argue with that :D

Much better customer care than I got from ICI :x
 
Yeah, but it's gonna take hours to sand down the orange peel effect (cellulite for walls) get trade paint, perhaps a dulux trade centre, much better results.
 
Most of those one coat paints are ker rap...they are a glorified non drip gloss..the sheen level is well below that of ordinary oil based gloss and the adhesion to old paint is dire...when you rub it down it comes off in slithers.

The oringinal advert showed two blokes painting a black wall with white paint...using four inch brushe's...which was the key to the trick...big brushes like that will hump loads of paint on, giving the appearance that it has covered.

The trade has been using 'solo' for years ander a different name.....

Its called 'half an half'!!

I'll leave it to a painter to explain... :roll:
 
Eddie M said:
Yeah, but it's gonna take hours to sand down the orange peel effect (cellulite for walls) get trade paint, perhaps a dulux trade centre, much better results.

It's actually covered very well after the second coat with a very smooth finish :)
I assume there is some disadvantage to trade paints :?: Are they harder to apply for an talentless amateur like myself :?:
Not cheaper than free either though are they, although I imagine it's going to be tough to pull that one off again :D
 
Aberlee said:
Eddie M said:
Yeah, but it's gonna take hours to sand down the orange peel effect (cellulite for walls) get trade paint, perhaps a dulux trade centre, much better results.

It's actually covered very well after the second coat with a very smooth finish :)
I assume there is some disadvantage to trade paints :?: Are they harder to apply for an talentless amateur like myself :?:
Not cheaper than free either though are they, although I imagine it's going to be tough to pull that one off again :D

Well I'm also a talentless amateur, but trade paint is a bit more difficult to apply but the finish is a lot better, also it's great if you have a VAT number.
 
Aberlee:

Take a look on the can of Crown Solo and see if mentions anything about it containing something called "Rhopaque"?

Rhopaque is the trade name of a product made by the Rohm & Haas Company for use in paints. Rhopaque consists of tiny clear hollow spheres. Because these spheres have both an inner and outer surface, they refract incident light through a larger angle than a solid sphere would. That is, they bend light more. So, when an incident light ray enters the paint, it has to encounter fewer Rhopaque particles to bend that light ray through a total of 180 degrees and send it back out of the paint film than it would if the paint had solid particles in it. And, that's one way of achieving higher hide in a paint without adding more pigment to it, and therefore having the same gloss level.

In fact, the reason the highest hiding white pigment, titanium dioxide, is the highest hiding white pigment is because it's got the highest refractive index of any white pigment. Since it bends light more than other pigments do, light travels more in the plane of the paint rather than perpendicularily through the paint. Not only does that mean that more of the light will be absorbed because of it's longer path through the paint, but it takes fewer encounters with titanium dioxide to send that light back where it came from than other white pigments like zinc oxide, chaulk, talc or Kaolin clay.

But, you can also get better hide by formulating a paint that goes on thicker and dries to a thicker film.
 
Nester...Is Rhopaque an extender similar to china clay

I dont know much about all of the chemical ingredients of paint but im pretty sure Rhopaque isnt used commonly over here.

In the UK we dont, unfortunatly, have formulations or ingredients on the cans.

And the paint companies over here keep their cards close to their chests about what does and doesnt go into paint.
 
Zampa:

Yes, that's it exactly. Rhopaque is meant to be used as an extender pigment which also has the benefit of improving the hide of the paint much more than normal extenders like silica, talc, chaulk and China clay (also called Kaolin clay) would, thereby giving the paint much better hide.

If this fellow is saying that the paint hides well without being dead flat or thick as a brick, the use of Rhopaque as the extender in the paint may be why it's able to provide good hide.

I expect it also forms a thicker coat on the wall as well, but obviously I'm not there to see it.
 
If this fellow is saying that the paint hides well without being dead flat or thick as a brick, the use of Rhopaque as the extender in the paint may be why it's able to provide good hide
.

Doubtful if the paint was made over here.

The one coat paints, especially the oil based glosses and satins reley soley on going on thicker..they have 'false body' similar to the old type of non drip gloss'es that were popular over here in the 70's

In fact they are a glorified non drip gloss...

I may meet up with a paint specifier from dulux this week, he may be able to throw some light on the extenders they use in these types of paints.

Primarilly, common extenders here have only been used to give the paint body without affecting the colour

Maybe we have an equiv to Rhopaque...I'll let you know.
 
Zampa:

You said: "The one coat paints, especially the oil based glosses and satins reley soley on going on thicker..."

Actually, I don't think oil based paints go on much thicker, but the will dry to a thicker film. I don't know why, but oil based paints can be mixed to a higher solids content than emulsion paints, and it's only the solids that remain behind to form a film as the paint dries; all the glycerine added when tinting, all the thinner and the solvents all evaporate. (and the film thickness of the paint becomes smaller as these liquids evaporate from the paint) So, if you're buying a pre-tinted oil based paint (like an alkyd floor paint or a white alkyd primer), much of the reason why it will have better hide is because the stuff inside the can has a higher solids content, and so less of it evaporates and you end up with a thicker dry film over the substrate.

"Primarilly, common extenders here have only been used to give the paint body without affecting the colour."

Extender pigments also perform three other important roles:

A) they are used to lower the gloss of the paint. Without extender pigments, all paints would dry to a high gloss film. They do make colored pigments in different "fine-ness", and a flat white tint base would be expected to contain a coarser grind of the white pigment titanium dioxide than a satin or gloss white tint base, but all of the pigments in the paint tinting machine will be finely ground so as not to lower the gloss of any high gloss paints that are being tinted.

B) emulsion paints form films through a process called "coalescence". Emulsion paints consist of a mixture of clear plastic blobs (called PVA or acrylic resins) and solid particles called "pigments" (including clear and white extender pigments and colored pigments) suspended in a solution of water and a low volatility water soluble solvent called a "coalescing solvent". When the paint is applied, as the water evaporates from the wet film, the plastic blobs find themselves surrounded by the coalescing solvent at ever increasing concentration. The coalescing solvent "dissolves" (kinda) the clear plastic resin blobs so that they become soft and easy to distort out of shape. Capillary pressure and surface tension then work together to make each soft blob pull on all it's neighbors so that any spaces between the blobs are eliminated and the paint becomes a continuous solid film with the pigments suspended inside it much like raisins in raisin bread. The coalescing solvents then evaporate out of the fresh paint film over the course of the next few days (giving off that "freshly painted smell"), and as that happens the plastic blobs harden back up to their original hardness.
The tension that can develope inside the paint film as the soft plastic blobs are all pulling on one another can be quite considerable, and can even cause a poorly adhering underlying paint to let go of the substrate as the overlying emulsion pulls itself together during coalescence. Extender pigments lessen this tension by occupying much of the paint film's volume and breaking up the tension that would otherwise develop in the paint film. (It should be noted that ONLY emulsion paints will develop tension in them as they cure. Oil based paints don't do this at all. So, if you're in a position where you have to paint over a paint that's not adhering well itself, it's safer to use an oil based paint than an emulsion.)

C) Extender pigments, in conjunction with the type of binder used, are also what determines the "scrubbability" of a paint, which is how well it stands up to hard scrubbing without losing it's gloss. Basically, the principle reason why flatter paints are softer than higher gloss paints is because the most commonly used extender pigments are softer than the plastic binder the paint is made from. So, the more chaulk or talc you add to plexiglass (Perspex), the softer the overall film becomes.
To get good scrubability, you need to use a HARD extender pigment (like pulverized silica sand) so that you get a harder film instead of a softer one with the addition of extender pigment. BUT, in order to derive the most benefit out of that hardness, the hard particles need to be well supported by a plastic binder that dries to a strong hard film. Thus, to get good scrubbabiliity in a paint, not only do you need to use a more expensive HARD extender pigment, you also need to use a more expensive binder that dries to a stronger harder film to properly support those hard extender pigment from being rubbed off in hard scrubbing. And, this is one of the reasons why better quality paints cost more. You can scrub a better quality paint harder to get out a stubborn mark without roughening it's surface.

Maybe print this off and show it to the Dulux rep you'll be meeting to confirm that I'm not making all this stuff up.
 
Interesting the point you made in 'A' non drip and more so, one coat gloss doesnt wuite have the higher sheen level as normal gloss.

Could be why.

I know your not making it up...I teach painting and decorating...allthough sadly not to this depth because it isnt required in the cirriculum any more

Trainees are not made as aware of the conrtuction of paint like they were 30 odd years ago...or the history of it, which is a shame when your using the stuff day in day out.
 
Thanks for saying that you know I'm not BS'ing.

One of the problems I have posting in DIY forums is that lots of times people can't tell if I'm BS'ing or not. I guess what brings them around eventually is that if they read my posts (on the presumption they're not BS), then what I'm staying starts to make sense to them and they accept it as true on that basis. I guess they realize it's just too hard to make BS both make sense and be consistent with other BS!

I also notice that you guys are 6 hours ahead of me. As I type this it's 2:18 PM on Saturday afternoon according to my watch. But, your computer is time stamping it as 8:18 PM. (I always knew I was kinda slow, but 6 hours?!?!)
 
I am using Crown One Coat to paint the cabin parts for my canal boat. The smallest tins of paint I can buy (Gloss) are 1 litre. As I can only paint the parts once they are built, and I am not the fastest carpenter, the tins of paint hang around for some time between getting used.
Does anyone know what I can do to try to avoid lumps developing in the paint, and is there anything I can do once they have developed?
 
The best advice i can give you is don't use it, of all the glosses i've used it yellows the fastest, is horrible to apply and not a particularly good finish.

An option for you could be tikkurila or a alkyd hybrid like johnstones aqua, or better still clear lacquers and oils/stains.
 

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