does "it was like that when bought the place" work

[crystal ball]

I agree 2381 is the norm for any installation work, but does not apply to all disciplines of our trade

 

[dingbat]

i'm in the process of doing the C&G 2391 test and inspection course right now, and plan to do the regs course next, then get them to send me on a part P course ( by telling them i can't do any repairs in the offices or canteen without it.. how would they know? )

So, exactly the reverse order in terms of knowledge required and pass rate, then? That sounds sensible...

 

[ColJack]

i have 236 pts 1 and 2, onc in electronics and electrical engineering..

the regs are covered as part of the 236..

and since I'm an industrial / comercial sparks, then domestic installs are not my norm..

the few I have done have been a while ago as subie labour only with someone else doing the design and test..

I was refering to RobFurn's comment that "f I work for a company who is NIC then can't you put it through their books FOC"

HOW DARE you call me a cowboy Newspark_paul
just because I have to ask a few questions regarding a stupid set of regulations that were not in force last time I did anything close to resembling a domestic install, I doubt very much if a domestic sparky could just drop into doing some of the things that industrial sparkies have to do, it's just horses for courses..

 

[DESL]

HOW DARE you call me a cowboy Newspark_paul

Now now let's not make this forum like another one.

I can see both sides of the debate here as I'm a qualified electrical engineer and have spent a lot of my career in the Defence Industry on design work for major projects but did C&G 2381 & 2391 before I went self employed and registered with a Part P scheme.

As for asking questions - there is no such thing as a stupid question except the one that doesn't get asked!!!!!

 

[RF Lighting]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Newspark_paul.

You came here asking how to get away with breaking the law, instead of asking what your options were to do the work correctly, and to make sure it complies with all the relevent building regulations.

 

[scousespark]

I said you comply or work as a cowboy.
If you want to rewire in black and red then pretend it was done before jan 2005, you'll be working like a cowboy.

If a firm is NIC regitered for DI, only work done officially for the company can be self-certified. Even if the QS does work on his own home he is obliged to notify the LBC.

 

[stevesey]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Newspark_paul.

You came here asking how to get away with breaking the law, instead of asking what your options were to do the work correctly, and to make sure it complies with all the relevent building regulations.

Breaking the law maybe - but there is nothing here to suggest that ColJacks work will not be done correctly, to 16th etc, just that he's trying to avoid notification.

So cowboy in the context of the law OK, but I can understand ColJack getting upset if he thought you referring to his standard of work.

 

[Pensdown]

Working for a 'Part-P' company won't qualify you to self-cert work done on your own home.

Where is that regulation stated?

In the approved document.

Unless the company takes a flexible view and adopts their employees private/home work as their own there is no way the employee can certify their own work unless he/she registers themselves with a self certification scheme.

Although it's not quite the same does a companies Corgi registration extend to their employees private work?

 

[Softus]

Unless the company takes a flexible view and adopts their employees private/home work as their own there is no way the employee can certify their own work unless he/she registers themselves with a self certification scheme.

Point taken - I didn't read the original statement carefully enough. Apologies.

Although it's not quite the same does a companies Corgi registration extend to their employees private work?

No.

 

[scousespark]

i have 236 pts 1 and 2, onc in electronics and electrical engineering..

the regs are covered as part of the 236..

and since I'm an industrial / comercial sparks, then domestic installs are not my norm..

the few I have done have been a while ago as subie labour only with someone else doing the design and test..

I was refering to RobFurn's comment that "f I work for a company who is NIC then can't you put it through their books FOC"

HOW DARE you call me a cowboy Newspark_paul
just because I have to ask a few questions regarding a stupid set of regulations that were not in force last time I did anything close to resembling a domestic install, I doubt very much if a domestic sparky could just drop into doing some of the things that industrial sparkies have to do, it's just horses for courses..

With 2360 you don't need to do a DI course, but you will still need a 2381 (or equivalent). This covers the regs and you need this before the 2391, as this includes checking you can do the tests and also refer the results to relevant regs.

As for the cowboy bit, that was in answer to your original post asking could you do the work and just ignore the regs (which is how the cowboys in our industry are operating).

I don't think many people are happy with the way Part-P has been implemented, but most of us have been asking for these changes for years. The actual regs just ask that electrical work is done safely, but the way we are asked to prove this has led to resentment.