Exactly!
In most of the Scandinavian countries (and Iceland/Finland) it matters not whether you are the child of a road sweeper or of the prime minister - you go through the same education system.
In other words, everyone gets a chance!
In most of the Scandinavian countries (and Iceland/Finland) it matters not whether you are the child of a road sweeper or of the prime minister - you go through the same education system.
In other words, everyone gets a chance!
I think a lot of it is down to the population levels too. Sweden is around double the landmass of the UK, yet its population level is around 80% smaller than ours'.
Obviously there's much, much more complexity to it but they have a far higher rate of tax on a far lower lower population. This allows them the money and capability to run their excellent state-run healthcare system as well as other public services on a 'manageable' amount of people.
Obviously there's much, much more complexity to it but they have a far higher rate of tax on a far lower lower population. This allows them the money and capability to run their excellent state-run healthcare system as well as other public services on a 'manageable' amount of people.
They need to stop putting off new nurses and front line staff to start with!
My partner is a nurse and it was off-putting enough when she first started (2012), never mind now. It's a university course (why?), you don't receive a bursary for doing the course anymore which makes living and studying very tough, you have long periods of unpaid placements which are full time, you have to pay to keep your registration PIN every year (~£140), you have to pay to be on the Nursing and Midwifery Council and you don't get a single penny of a reduction on your National Insurance.
We have talent here to keep it going strong. Our hospitals shouldn't have to go on recruitment drives in places such as Spain or SE Asia as they currently do. No issue with foreign medical staff at all but we need to be encouraging our own population to do it first. It's gradually become less attractive every decade unfortunately.
Ive always wondered that
That is just so short sighted.
And why doesnt the UK train more doctors?
why do junior doctors have to work such long hours....or has that improved?
Does that not happen here then?
Never understood the university thing. If you want to progress to be a sister, mentor, district nurse, community matron, etc. then yes you need further qualification for it which is gained through academic study. To be an essential member of front line staff should require training and experience on the wards or in the community - not the ability to write a dissertation or write a PowerPoint.
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The number of doctors graduating through university has increased significantly the issue is higher level training, ie to becomeb a gp or consultant. factor in as women are about 50% of med graduate they have a different work / life balance to manage when it comes to higher training ergo you see far less female consultants.
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Stupid government not dealing with the issue either due to politics or bad advice from advisers.
I thought it obvious, but here is it in a simplified form that you hopefully will be able to understand
Scandinavia - mainly a single state education system with open entry for all.
UK - a mixture of state (local authority), academy (part privatised), grammar, and fully private. With the best education for those with money!
Then of course we come to university.
Scandinavia - universal and essentially free.
UK - over £9k a year, and 'reputation' determines the quality.
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Quite simply the UK/US model is that education is a business, and corporates/governments extract as much revenue from it as possible.
In Europe it is perceived as an investment in the future, and not the 'be all and end all'.
Probably why those who promoted Brexit did so in order to 'ditch the european social model' in order to profit as much as possible!
God forbid the parents have to actually get involved with their offspring's upbringing though, eh?I thought it obvious, but here is it in a simplified form that you hopefully will be able to understand
Scandinavia - a single state education system with open entry for all.
UK - a mixture of state (local authority), academy (part privatised), grammar, and fully private. With the best education for those with money!
Then of course we come to university.
Scandinavia - universal and essentially free.
UK - over £9k a year, and 'reputation' determines the quality.
After all, isn't that the teacher's job?
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Malcolm Gladwell brilliant podcasts dives into the issue of college and university education rising costs in the US.
Essentially you are paying for new buildings as university go on a property investment program. You are not getting better teacher / student numbers etc.
Look around what's happening in the UK.
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God forbid the parents have to actually get involved with their offspring's upbringing though, eh?
After all, isn't that the teacher's job?
What point you making. Parents are involved in their child's education.
I'm wondering if the Brigadier was thinking about social mobility?
If so, a pity about the reality:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...background-social-mobility-hepi-a8289566.html
“This analysis reveals which universities reflect wider society best, and those which have further to travel.
He (director of HEPI) added that learning outcomes were better when students from diverse backgrounds studied alongside each other."
And the reply from Cambridge?
“We would note, however, that Polar, the single measure upon which this analysis is based, takes no account of factors such as household income, access to education and socio-economic background, all of which have a profound bearing on a student’s likelihood of applying to university.”
No sh1t sherlock!
