You need to get out more.
The failing of the kids are often blamed on "crap schooling".
The failing of the kids are often blamed on "crap schooling".
Nope: just taking any interest at all in their kid's education.
You, however, are perfectly in line with your online persona: that of a smug and patronising ****
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Kids not achieving their potential and social mobility is a multi factorial problem of which poor schools is one part, poor living conditions, family health etc all play a part. However the government can address many of these issues, now this doesn't absolve parents of responsibility or lay it all at the doorstep of government but the government has the ability to make positive changes that effect people's lives and thus improve the child's ability to improve and progress.
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Calm down, calm down you two.You, however, are perfectly in line with your online persona: that of a smug and patronising ****
I think you are both right, but it depends mainly on the parents socio-economic position in society.
Sure the better placed parents absolutely do take an enormous interest in their children's education. Even moving house in order to ensure a better education for their children. Parental guidance is part and parcel of 'taking an interest'
But I suspect the lower ranked socio-economc groups probably do believe that education is the sole responsibility of the teachers.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule.
In general I would hazard a guess that the majority of kids learning extra-curriculum skills (especially the 'paid for' variety) are from parents of higher socio-economic groups.
I took the liberty of taking out the inaccuracies in your post in order to concentrate on what you get right.
Because it is the case that essentially wealth allows parents to help their kids out educationally, and that then flows down the generations.
Report after report acknowledges the lack of social mobility, and yet nothing is done (by any political party) to tackle the cause - use/abuse of privilige!
Put everyone in the same educational system and the worst schools get better, thus negating the need for the scramble for 'good schools'.
Many of our European neighbours worked that out years ago!
But correct nonethelessYou, however, are perfectly in line with your online persona: that of a smug and patronising ****
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I took the liberty of correcting your spelling mistake.
Perhaps it is not just wealth per se, but that the wealthier are also better educated or have the cultural responsibility for their children's education., and it is that that influences the parents interest in their child's education, that cultural responsibility then flows down the generations.
Perhaps the mantra that it is better to endow your children with cultural capital rather than financial capital, is to be lauded.
I am not sure that I fully support 'the same education fits all' model. I do prefer selective streams, even if it is within the same school.
Perhaps that is not the reason for schools being better on the continent. Perhaps the parents' cultural responsibility for education is more prominent, more endemic, and the parents demand better schools, better teachers, etc.
I thought it obvious, but here is it in a simplified form that you hopefully will be able to understand
Scandinavia - mainly a single state education system with open entry for all.
UK - a mixture of state (local authority), academy (part privatised), grammar, and fully private. With the best education for those with money!
Then of course we come to university.
Scandinavia - universal and essentially free.
UK - over £9k a year, and 'reputation' determines the quality.
That seems over simplified to me.
Everybody pays taxes that go towards state education. If parents choose to send their children to a fee paying private school, they still pay taxes for state education. Would you prefer it if private schools were not allowed and those children would then get free education, despite the fact that the parents are happy to pay extra?
Good state schools now perform better than many fee paying schools, so a private education does not guarantee a better education.
University - the UK model has many problems. One of it problems is that a culture of 'going to uni' became the thing to do, courses were dumbed down polytechnics gained university status. Suddenly lots of teenagers started going to do Golf course management Bsc after their gap year or drug fuelled weekend at Glastonbury. Lots of middle class kids getting free education being funded by families whose offspring went straight into work.
err....that's me that is.
Most of which is essentially what I said originally!I took the liberty of correcting your spelling mistake.
Perhaps it is not just wealth per se, but that the wealthier are also better educated or have the cultural responsibility for their children's education., and it is that which influences the parents interest in their child's education, that cultural responsibility then flows down the generations.
Perhaps the mantra that it is better to endow your children with cultural capital rather than financial capital, is to be lauded.
I am not sure that I fully support 'the same education fits all' model. I do prefer selective streams, even if it is within the same school.
Perhaps that is not the reason for schools being better on the continent. Perhaps the parents' cultural responsibility for education is more prominent, more endemic, and the parents demand better schools, better teachers, etc.
And I didn't mention streaming (which internally can be a good thing) - just that all schools should be available to all regardless of income.
Oh, and since you picked up on a single vowel error I took the liberty of underlining some of your grammatical errors. And your sentence construction (particularly the first) leaves much to be desired.
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There are ways around using legal tax efficient ways to pay for private school education, but in general it does come out of your post tax income. However private schools enjoy the status of being charities.
The issue is what is the best way to educate the workforce - we need the right mix of skills based training, research and graduate education.
It appears your 'sidekick' is the bored one since you are answering on his/her behalf 
But hey, that not exactly a long/diverse list is it!
Some people are a bit more widely travelled, and the UK has long been viewed as a meddling bully by many.
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...from-21-countries.500220/page-9#ixzz5BoqmAOyn
It appears you dont have worthwhile answer after all.
You were also deliberately making a loaded question hoping I would give you a list of countries, that you could provide a smug 'some people are a bit more widely travelle' answer. Sadly Bodd fell for it.
But hey, that not exactly a long/diverse list is it!
Some people are a bit more widely travelled, and the UK has long been viewed as a meddling bully by many.
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...from-21-countries.500220/page-9#ixzz5BoqmAOyn
It appears you dont have worthwhile answer after all.
You were also deliberately making a loaded question hoping I would give you a list of countries, that you could provide a smug 'some people are a bit more widely travelle' answer. Sadly Bodd fell for it.
tranny had better beware!
