Drills needed please help

[flameport]

I read somewhere stay away from 2nd hands as there's lost of fakes about . Is this bullsh1t?

99.999% of power tools sold on the likes of ebay and other marketplaces as 'second hand' are stolen.
There is no ready supply of used power tools in working condition. They are typically used by the owners until they are broken beyond repair.
Anyone who buys used power tools is basically funding thievery.

 

[morqthana]

What proof do you have of that?

 

[JohnW2]

Other than circular & jig saws, angle grinder, orbital sanders (of which I've also moved on from B&D) and Cheap pillar drill (underpowered Machine Mart) I've not have the range you list.

My 'list' was of 'workshop' (hence all 'corded') tools I have - and I mentioned it to indicate that, just as with the 'portable' power tools, my experiences, over very many years, of very cheap ones had generally been very happy ones. In fact, thinking back, I think that all of the workshop tools I currently have in service (i.e. my 'list') are my 'originals' (many acquired 25-40 years ago), since I don't recall having had to replace any of them (although some have enjoyed some 'bodged' repairs over the years ).

As for 'portable' power tools, as well as a lot of drills of various types, the list of what I have includes (mostly corded, some cordless) circular saws, jigsaws, reciprocating saw, chain saw, cordless mini-chain saw, various sanders (e.g. belt, orbital, 'detail' and a 'PowerFile'), a small angle grinder, some routers various 'multitools' and a biscuit jointer (and I may have forgotten some!).

Other than for the various drills, I think that the most useful (and most often used) of all those is the (B&D) "PowerFile", which I use for all sorts of purposes.

 

[JohnW2]

I read somewhere stay away from 2nd hands as there's lost of fakes about . Is this bullsh1t?

Some might be fakes, and some are probably stolen but I would certainly stay away from secondhand power tools ('for use' - see **), even if you know they are 'legitimate', since they undoubtedly do suffer from 'wear' over time.
[** I do sometimes buy extremely cheap power tools from eBay etc., including ones described as 'not working' or 'for parts/repair', as a source of spares for tools that I have.

However, you'll find plenty of good deals for 'new', 'never used' or refurbished power tools on the likes of eBay. Some may, again, be 'fake' or stolen', but probably not if you buy from a 'respectable' seller. Screwfix and similar do also sell refurbs, which can be a lot cheaper than 'new'.

 

[JohnW2]

What proof do you have of that?

Good question. In fact, I would generally regard any assertion which said that it related to "99.999%" of something as probably being unprovable, since, in the real world, it will virtually always be incorrect.

 

[JohnW2]

Two? Ha. This weekend my grandson has had to make models for engineering A level course work. We had 2.5, 4, 6, 9 mm drills, 12mm flatbit, countersink & PZ2 driver plus pillar drill on the go.

I did say "Two (or more)"

I very commonly have four on the go at once - one with a clearance hole drill bit, one with a pilot hole drill bit, one with a countersink bit and one with a screwdriver bit - and sometimes more if I am dealing with holes/screws of different sizes.

 

[thomp1983]

https://www.screwfix.com/p/milwaukee-m18-bpp2q-402c-18v-2-x-4-0ah-li-ion-redlithium-cordless-twin-pack/969GF?tc=WC3&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20155423388&gbraid=0AAAAAD8IdPy2soMzf-C7rXd3lPr1Yq2V4&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgvPKBhCxARIsAOlK_EpDGcGkEyWD3J5OAE3zEvh1TUns69WVVDMZz1MTgY7dO_4nre6y9zIaAqxpEALw_wcB

 

[jcaan]

https://www.screwfix.com/p/milwaukee-m18-bpp2q-402c-18v-2-x-4-0ah-li-ion-redlithium-cordless-twin-pack/969GF?tc=WC3&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20155423388&gbraid=0AAAAAD8IdPy2soMzf-C7rXd3lPr1Yq2V4&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgvPKBhCxARIsAOlK_EpDGcGkEyWD3J5OAE3zEvh1TUns69WVVDMZz1MTgY7dO_4nre6y9zIaAqxpEALw_wcB

Thanks for this, I seen this I read it used brushed motor , however I should look for brushless?

How important is that for a sparky ? Brushed vs brushless ?

 

[thomp1983]

You are over thinking things massively, everything used to have brushes and people managed fine.

The important thing for you to decide is which brand your buying into so you can use the same batteries across everything so maybe check all the tools your thinking of are available from the same manufacturer.

Starting out you'll have more things to worry about than whether you bought the right drill, any of the big 4 manufacturers will be more than sufficient for your needs, just be aware that in the long term it makes more sense to stick to one brand.

 

[mikehammer69]

Starting off you could buy 18v combi , impact and SDS

Extra weight but extra power and add the 12v cordless later if needed

 

[jcaan]

Starting off you could buy 18v combi , impact and SDS

Extra weight but extra power and add the 12v cordless later if needed

Yeah I think this is a good shout. Just need a multi tool with it as well

 

[jcaan]

You are over thinking things massively, everything used to have brushes and people managed fine.

The important thing for you to decide is which brand your buying into so you can use the same batteries across everything so maybe check all the tools your thinking of are available from the same manufacturer.

Starting out you'll have more things to worry about than whether you bought the right drill, any of the big 4 manufacturers will be more than sufficient for your needs, just be aware that in the long term it makes more sense to stick to one brand.

You're right mate. I'm so tempted to get the makita one you mentioned sits well within my budget.

Someone else posted this 4 piece set below for £379. Which is way above my original budget. But I'm thinking I'd probably need a multi tool and sds as well. If I end up buying the makita . I'll end up paying more buying a seperate sds and multi tool.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dck407p2t-gb-18v-2-x-5ah-li-ion-xr-brushless-cordless-4-piece-kit/746rg?ref=SFAppShare

 

[morqthana]

Some might be fakes, and some are probably stolen but I would certainly stay away from secondhand power tools ('for use' - see **), even if you know they are 'legitimate', since they undoubtedly do suffer from 'wear' over time.

All I can say, then, is that I must have been lucky - I've bought a used corded SDS+ hammer drill, and used cordless screwdriver & multitool, (none of the 3 are "DIY" products), and all have been fine.

 

[pete01]

I tried to link this in post 10 but I cant get to grips with screwfix links so screenshot....nice set

 

[JohnW2]

All I can say, then, is that I must have been lucky - I've bought a used corded SDS+ hammer drill, and used cordless screwdriver & multitool, (none of the 3 are "DIY" products), and all have been fine.

Sure, and I imagine that many others (including me, occasionally) have been equally lucky - but one does have to accept the risk when one buys secondhand something which may well only have a 'limited' lifetime.

I've certainly bought a good few 'factory refurbished' items over the years - all of which seem to have been indistinguishable from 'brand new' products, but usually considerably cheaper. Also, as has been said, in terms of buying new items, it usually makes sense to avoid 'the latest model' - which usually will be appreciably more expensive than the 'previous' model, but usually with minimal 'benefit'. That's particularly true of phones, electronic and IT stuff, but also applies to power tools.