Well the UK is the only place that requires isolation transformers I believe? Can’t be that many more.
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Earth question - Shaver socket
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Dunno - but I don't know how reasonable that would have been in the pre-RCD days.
Totally reasonable, considering that statistically the risk of dying from a mains socket installed in the bathroom in, say, Germany was in practice vanishingly tiny. When RCDs became a thing it was logical to require them in bathrooms, but that doesn't alter the fact that the expense and technical confusion caused by isolation transformers in the UK is unlikely to have saved a single life.
You may well be right, but could not very much the same be said of RCDs, the cost of creating and deploying them literally be 'billions', in the UK alone?
So why did you say ' I don't know how reasonable that would have been in the pre-RCD days'?
Because many (most?) people seem to believe (rightly or wrongly - I'm personally inclined to veer towards the latter) that RCDs have 'saved a lot of lives'.
... and, of course, it was you who brought RCDs into this discussion - so I suppose I could ask much the same of you !
I‘d suspect the only countries requiring shaver sockets these days are those following UK regs to some degree. Unless you insist on having a socket in zone 2, then it needs to be a shaver socket in quite a few places. My gran‘s bathroom in Germany, wired in the mid-70s, had a shaver socket to the left of the sink (near the bath) and a regular Schuko on the right, towards the loo.
It's certainly true that most countries seem to allow any sort of sockets in bathrooms (with seemingly little/no restriction as to 'where' within a bathroom they are, in at least some countries) - and I've seen some in pretty 'worrying' locations in some cases - but, as often said, I don't think the streets of those countries have been covered in dead bodies as a result!
No, it was you in post #47.
Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
No, it wasn't me. However, sorry, my memory failed me by seeming to recall that it was you who first brought RCDs into the discussion - in fact it was AndyPRK, in post #41.
It is indeed.
I'm not sure of your point - as far as I am aware the (very rarely heard) word "gainstaying" is just another way of saying "contradicting", isn't it? Are you suggesting that I have "contradicted" something?
I guess you didn't recognise the quote.
No, I was gently suggesting that you often say things because you like arguing, rather than actually believing them.
Or perhaps like that Mister Vine on the Radio? puts argument one way then the other way as a "Just Perhaps" sort of thing in order to keep the discussion balanced to some degree. it is a way most of us tend to consider somethings sometimes to kind of weigh up a situations pros and cons. Well I do anyway. Sometimes you got to look at a situation from differing viewpoints to decide what you think, it`s a shades of grey type of thingy.
No, I didn't - in fact, as I said, although I'm aware of it and its meaning, I've hardly ever seen/heard the word "gainstaying" actually being used! Who/where does the quote come from?
As you wrote, 'arguing' is an intellectual process and, as such, is something I will often do, and enjoy. I have always functioned in a very analytical and evidence-based world, so tend to react to flaws, assumptions, over-simplifications or over-generalisations etc. in what is said/written and to explore possible scenarios/exceptions which may not have been considered - so you will often see me writing things like "Yes, but ....."!No, I was gently suggesting that you often say things because you like arguing, rather than actually believing them.
I would never say or write something I didn't believe to be true unless it were very clear that I was acting as a "Devil's Advocate". Unlike some people, I try not to 'assert' but, rather, 'make suggestions' (for discussion/debate) - you'll find countless examples of my sentences ending with things like ".... wouldn't it?", "....mightn't it?" etc. etc. - whether you call that 'intellectual modesty' or (closer to the truth!) a recognition that I am far from omniscient/infallible, hence usually in no position to 'confidently assert'
.That's very close to some of the things I was writing (and have now posted) when you posted that!
I don't tend to trip over corpses in bathrooms on holidays, so it's probably fair to assume that all of the rest of the world isn't necessarily incorrect about the hazards or lack thereof, but alas we are where we are on this issue.
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