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Electrics tripping.

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Hi all,

Hoping someone can just give a little advice. Firstly I'm not overly versed with electrics, I know enough to the degree when something trips, how to reset the circuit breaker and if it keeps tripping to remove all possible variables (to unplug all appliances and retry etc) but beyond that my knowledge is very limited.

Problem
Last night we were inundated with ants.. seemingly sprawled over from next door neighbors property (as they mentioned they had an infestation a few days ago), my wife and I removed the ants and basically searched for gaps in the conservatory (skirting boards mainly) , gaps we did find we were using pollyfiller to close them.

Under the impression we had filled all gaps , I began to tidy away the aftermath of the ants and replacing furniture back to it's original position, my wife then made a decision which has now seemingly left us with no power in our downstairs plug sockets

One of the plug sockets (socket is head height) in the conservatory (brick built, secure in terms of weather proofing) had a fairly substantial gap in the brick work (about 5cm) from the top of the socket, I had been meaning to call someone in close the gap off professionally but never got around to it. She had decided to polly fill the gap herself..

Electrics tripped immediately.
When looking at the breaker, the flipswitch that was in the "off" position was indeed for the downstairs plug sockets. All other switches were still set to the "on" position.
Tried to flip the "downstairs plugsocket's" breaker switch to on, but doing so flips the main breaker to "off".

So i did the obligatory, turn everything off, unplug ALL appliances downstairs and in the
conservatory. Again try to flip the "downstairs plugsockets" breaker to on and main breaker trips

I know the cause of the initial trip and the persistent cause (being probably the mass blobs of pollyfiller that my wife has generously fed into the gap in the wall and has probably landed on back of the switch/wiring)

My question being, will this potentially be a costly fix as we need to call out a leccy and would rather have some further insight before being handed a bill that we have no idea whether it's a reasonable rate or not.

Any advice/info would be greatly appreciated.
(and I've hid the pollyfiller from the wife)
 
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The thing that is tripping is called an RCD (I guess it has a test switch on it?)
This will trip if there is a path to earth for electricity somewhere in teh circuit.

Somewhere (start with your wife's socket) there is a gob of filler bridging the wiring to earth. You'll need to find where that is an scoop out the offending goo, clean it and make sure it is completely dry. Then you should be good to go.

PS. Make sure the power is off before poking your fingers in there!
 
Thanks for the response, I should have noted I have removed the pollyfiller that was reachable around the immediate area of the socket but being that the socket is almost head height, there is a bridging gap from behind the socket to the outer brick wall, probably about a 10cm gap from inner brick wall to outer where I assume the redundant filler has dropped down and is unreachable without removing brickwork.

FYI the RCD is a Crabtree Starbreaker (believe the trip switch is B32) , I could set it to on (up) with everything else off, if we try to flip the main switch up it won't hold position, main switch flips back down. The main switch only stays on if the B32 (downstairs plugsocket breaker) is off (down). Assume that plug socket is tripping the fuse ?

Seeing as we do not use that plug socket in the conservatory, would the sparky just be able to kill off the plug socket itself and/or replace the fuse (as I say my knowledge is limited so apologies I'm asking ridiculous questions)
 
Let's hope.
Fortunately I'm at work, so wife will have the job of explaining her actions to the Sparky whose arriving at 13:00
I'll update with his opinions.
 
Just to update- Wife's just rang me, Sparky was held up, turned up about 14:50 , was done by 15:10

Was indeed the paste from the pollyfiller, had leaked onto a live wire/moisture had penetrated the socket. He cleared the socket of paste and allowed to dry (unsure if he used anything to speed up the process) but he was apparently done in 15 mins.

Cheers for the input.
 
Use the ant killer powder and apply powder to where ants come in and out of skirting, poly filler will not stop them, they will find other way. When ant is caked with powder, ants will go back to the nest and every ants will die.

Daniel.
 
Use the ant killer powder and apply powder to where ants come in and out of skirting, poly filler will not stop them, they will find other way. When ant is caked with powder, ants will go back to the nest and every ants will die.

Daniel.

What a wicked person you are! Would you also advocate killing the whole of, say, London because a few people had strayed where they were not wanted?
 
What a wicked person you are! Would you also advocate killing the whole of, say, London because a few people had strayed where they were not wanted?

What you on about? Ants is a pest, do you want them invade your kitchen and spoil food, crawling all over your sofa and even worse crawl over over you in bed.

There are over 300,000 trillion ants in the world so a few will be missed.

Daniel.
 
Most ants have compound eyes and thus very poor eyesight for images but extremely good motion detection. They recognise each other by pheromones.

I wonder who could be a pest in the eyes of electricians ? :mrgreen:
 

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