End of jury trials?

[blup]

The general view is that with the backlog in cases MPs on both sides will vote for the changes. But how will an establishment judge find the courage to say not guilty to someone brought to court on a blatantly political charge. In other words some juries deliver not guilty verdicts despite the evidence because it is just to do so.

 

[transam]

They were banging on about this on the radio today

In one jury trial for murder or manslaughter the jury retired to consider there verdict and had some type of seance in the jury room in an attempt to contact the dead person in the after life



Jeez us wept

 

[Deluks]

Just another erosion of our freedoms by this lot, the right to protest, ID cards, and now this.

Dangerous precedents are being set.

 

[SPLINE]

Jury trials are being reduced due to there being more criminal trials than the system can handle.

Why are there more criminal trials?

Can anyone guess? Surnames?

 

[morqthana]

Some of these smoking gun types crimes don’t need a trial as such

For example the two scum bags who killed Lee Rigby

Guilty ( no doubt about ) stuff mitigating circumstances and ther human rights just set a bump off date

Paul Hill
Gerry Conlon
Patrick Armstrong
Carole Richardson
Anne Maguire
Patrick Maguire Sr.
Patrick Maguire Jr.
Vincent Maguire
Sean Smyth
Patrick O'Neill
Patrick "Giuseppe" Conlon
Hugh Callaghan
Patrick Hill
Gerard Hunter
Richard McIlkenny
William Power
John Walker
Patrick Molloy
James Robinson
Michael Hickey
Vincent Hickey
Thomas Campbell
Joseph Steele
Winston Silcott
Engin Raghip
Mark Braithwaite

And more, and more, and more, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases#United_Kingdom

 

[morqthana]

The general view is that with the backlog in cases MPs on both sides will vote for the changes. But how will an establishment judge find the courage to say not guilty to someone brought to court on a blatantly political charge. In other words some juries deliver not guilty verdicts despite the evidence because it is just to do so.

We already have judges forcing defendants to break their oath, having them removed from the court if they will not.

 

[Brigadier]

A good case for corporal punishment. No jury just straight to the gallows for cases of murder, rape and peodo. Where it is beyond a shadow of doubt. Lets not waste money on these types.

"Capital".

It would wipe out the Reform base though

 

[motorbiking]

The general view is that with the backlog in cases MPs on both sides will vote for the changes. But how will an establishment judge find the courage to say not guilty to someone brought to court on a blatantly political charge. In other words some juries deliver not guilty verdicts despite the evidence because it is just to do so.

That is hopefully the only benefit. Fewer criminal damages cases thrown out because of the “cause”.

But the real issue is criminal courts will turn into guilty rubber stamping factories like magistrates.

Humans dealing with guilty day in and out will always look for it.

If the issue was cost then why not a Jury of 6 or 5 or even 3.

 

[Notch7]

Just another erosion of our freedoms by this lot, the right to protest, ID cards, and now this.

Dangerous precedents are being set.

the public order act 2023 increased powers of police to restrict rights to protest

I dont believe the Labour party have made any changes to restrict protesting

 

[Brigadier]

AIUI, a lot of the backlog is due to court buildings being in such a poor state of repair, they can't be used.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

This is all about control. The backlog is just the perfect excuse. They don't care about waiting times or victims, they are the justification for the regime pursuing its real goal.

3 years in prison is sufficient to put off most people from protesting, or typing something online that goes against the state's view of how we should think or is negative about our glorious leader.

You can now be taken from your home and locked up by a judge who's a close associate of the prime minister, after the PM has publically stated that you should get a harsh sentence and no bail, with absolutely no oversight.

Removing jury trials has been a vital early component of every historic dictatorial regime. All the warning signs are there, Britain needs to wake the hell up.

 

[Highway Man]

Always said the only difference between us and Russia is that we don’t have to Que up for bread. Everything else is the same

 

[blup]

That is hopefully the only benefit. Fewer criminal damages cases thrown out because of the “cause”.

Clive Ponting?

But the real issue is criminal courts will turn into guilty rubber stamping factories like magistrates.

Serious complex cases like financial fraud are arguably better dealt with by judges sitting alone

Humans dealing with guilty day in and out will always look for it.

Judges listen without deciding, magistrates decide without listening goes the old saying,

If the issue was cost then why not a Jury of 6 or 5 or even 3.

Because the bureaucracy is still there, that said they are talking about two lay members sitting with a judge. Maybe we’ll get a French system where the judges will become investigators

 

[Notch7]

This is all about control. The backlog is just the perfect excuse. They don't care about waiting times or victims, they are the justification for the regime pursuing its real goal.

3 years in prison is sufficient to put off most people from protesting, or typing something online that goes against the state's view of how we should think or is negative about our glorious leader.

You can now be taken from your home and locked up by a judge who's a close associate of the prime minister, after the PM has publically stated that you should get a harsh sentence and no bail, with absolutely no oversight.

Removing jury trials has been a vital early component of every historic dictatorial regime. All the warning signs are there, Britain needs to wake the hell up.

what exactly are you putting into AI to get this drivel out?

 

[Deluks]

the public order act 2023 increased powers of police to restrict rights to protest

I dont believe the Labour party have made any changes to restrict protesting

Well, an old lady vicar is not allowed to sit on some steps campaigning for peace without being arrested.
I suspect many of this 'backlog of cases' is just people who have caused no harm to person or property, they are probably awaiting trial because they dared to express an opinion.