FBI and Apple

Perhaps the FBI should just ask News International , they seem to be able to get into phones in their sleep.
 
Good on Apple.

Apple are refusing to unlock (can they?)

From what I can make out, Apple can't do anything about the terrorists phone, but the FBI want apple to design all new phones where that would be possible if needed in the future.. I agree with apple, to do this opens everyone to the wrong un's getting our info. It's wrong, we've lost enough freedoms with emails and calls being tracked in the name of anti-terrorism.

Perhaps the FBI should just ask News International , they seem to be able to get into phones in their sleep.
Grins. If only all the terrorists left unprotected voicemail messages for each other...
 
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I've been reading up on this issue, and, sorry, blightymam, but I no longer agree with you, on substance, not on stance.
FBI want Apple to replace the OS on this phone and only this phone, to allow FBI to crack the passcode and gain access to the data. FBI are then willing to return the iPhone to Apple so that Apple retain control of the OS.

Apple are seeing this process as a precedent of creating a backdoor to anybody's and everybody's similar device, which they are resisting.
A difficult dilemma. If Apple can create the possibility of a backdoor by replacing the OS, then so can anyone else, for good or for bad.

So, simplistically, one could argue that the FBI are only wanting to access this one phone, and for valid reasons.
But if Apple accede to the request, two things will have been established:
1) Apple will have confirmed that it is possible to force a new OS on to an existing locked device. Not what we want to hear!
2) If this precedent is set, then it will be used time and time again, for ever reducing lesser reasons.

If the case goes through all the legal processes to the Supreme Court it will take years, and surely the intelligence will be well past its 'tell-by-date' then.

A new twist, Mr McAfee (of Anti-virus fame) has offered to access the phone for free, (which has been derided by some). But he is running for presidential candidate, so I suspect ulterior motives there.
 
A new twist, Mr McAfee (of Anti-virus fame) has offered to access the phone for free, (which has been derided by some). But he is running for presidential candidate, so I suspect ulterior motives there.

John McAfee - now there's a bloke suitable for dealing with national security and running for president!

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I'm with Apple on this one - as soon as it's demonstrated that a device can be hacked then it's the thin edge of the wedge. The track record of most of the 'public services' has shown that once they have the power to investigate people then they will abuse it.
 
I'm quite sure that the CIA, MI5 and Mossad can all read encrypted phones, and plant software bugs on them, as can Mr. Putin's old company, but they wouldn't want to stand up in court and say so, especially when they might be quizzed to explain how, or who they do it do.
 
I can't believe that Apple designed a phone OS so even they can't hack it. ;)
They haven't commented on whether they can or can't. The argument is about whether they should or shouldn't.
I rather think the real question is whether Apple supports terrorism. Seems they do, as they're doing nothing to help/ assist.
That's your interpretation, not one with which I agree.
In fact, I think your deduction is a leap of logic. Non sequitur (logic)

In fact, we can go further to illustrate the lack of logic in your argument.
If Apple is a supporter of terrorism, as suggested by you, surely it would be funding terrorism?

I have in the past argued that by not objecting to racism, we are condoning it.
I suspect that Apple have recognized the dilemma and dealt with it as they see fit, i.e. supporting the security of their customers over and above the desire of the FBI. After all, the FBI does not know what data exists, if any, so it's a shot in the dark, over-riding the desires of Apple's (and other's) customers.
 
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I rather think the real question is whether Apple supports terrorism. Seems they do, as they're doing nothing to help/ assist.
They must be supporting terrorism simply by providing phones and a network to use them on then?
Technology is available to all. Those that counter terrorism and those that support it.
 
I can't believe that Apple designed a phone OS so even they can't hack it. ;)
They haven't commented on whether they can or can't. The argument is about whether they should or shouldn't.
I haven't looked at this is great depth so apologies if wrong, but going by the letter written by the CO of Apple, I think they say they can't. http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
I think what they actually said is, "they can't access customers' data". They didn't specify that they can't access it currently. That bit was left unsaid.
They did say, "they don't have the means to... and it would be dangerous to create the means to....."
But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create.
They didn't say they couldn't.
 
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