That's roughly what I've been saying all along
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Look back i said "ok not sacked"
Another case of arguing for argument sake
That was 12 o'clock, what time is it?
But I did say "ok not sacked"
So you can drop that one now
if ya want ive got all day
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And yet that idea is increasingly rejected by the civil courts, military courts, armed forces heads, and the MoD.
Funny old world, isn't it.
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On the contrary. The employment tribunals have shown that he clearly wasn't.
Possibly he did. A good manager/supervisor would not.
It should have been. That was precisely what his job was to to. He failed to do it.
The woman in question was an international rugby player - I doubt she was a shrinking violet. If he'd put his foot down at the start, firmly dealt with the complaints, left the offenders in no doubt that they must stop and not repeat it, I think there's a good chance it would have blown over, not up.
She was failed by her manager when he did nothing about her complaints. When that left her with a choice between leaving or staying to be a continued target of abuse and sexual harassment (which had reached the stage of unwanted physical contact) she left, felt she had been forced out, and went to a tribunal claiming unfair dismissal, and the tribunal, headed by a legal professional, upheld her complaint.
Why are you so dead set against recognising what actually happened in all of this?
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Sacha Acheson wasn't sacked, she left feeling she had no option. She took it to an employment tribunal and won.
I expect she felt let down by her service when they did nothing about persistent sexual derogatory and offensive comments, colleagues frequently making openly sexist comments with managers joining in and even starting it, and sexual harassment.
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It's a deeply flawed one, because you have arrived at it by taking no note of the facts, just basing it on your prejudices.
A claim which the evidence shows is a falsehood.
She was forced out by a service which did nothing to protect her from persistent sexual derogatory and offensive comments and sexual harassment.
So was she.
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If you are dubious about the quality of journalism in the Sun, how about the Telegraph? Not a paper, I'm sure you'll agree, with an instinctive bias in favour of woke lefty snowflakes and fragile little girls afraid of a bit of banter.
England Rugby player turned firefighter told woman’s place is ‘in the kitchen’
Sasha Acheson wins discrimination case after tribunal finds she was ‘belittled’ and targeted by managers in fire service
www.telegraph.co.uk
But if you're dead set against newspapers, you could if you want look at the evidence from here
Ms A Acheson v Avon Fire and Rescue Service: 1400826/2022 and 1402825/2022 - Judgment.
Ms A Acheson v Avon Fire and Rescue Service: 1400826/2022 and 1402825/2022 - Reasons.
Ms A Acheson v Avon Fire and Rescue Service: 1400826/2022 and 1402825/2022 - Remedy.
The question is do you want to? Have you got the b--ls to read things which will expose the invalidity of your "opinion"?
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You should.
He wasn't.
You heard wrong. That's what the headline in the Sun wanted you to hear.
The employment disputes weren't but there is a big element of that in the discussions here, driven by the culture warriors fighting to keep workplace abuse and sexual harassment.
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It is a funny old world yes, I don't care what you say about the subject, you have no idea of what the training involves. The majority of the cases you have shown links for are either cadets or young trainees. This is all part of the breaking your spirit which is all part of the process, they then build you up, if this was an office environment or a normal workplace then it would be classed as bullying. Once you have gone through basic training things are very different, the bullying doesnt exist. Those who are tougher than the ones that leave are the ones that the army want. The ones who complain about are not wanted, they either leave or get discharged.
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- Suicides linked to military issues:
- Gunner Jaysley Beck died by suicide after being sexually assaulted. An inquest found that the assault and the Army's failure to act contributed to her death, according to BBC News and The Guardian.
- Royal Artillery Bombardier Nadine Askew took her own life in 2021 following a dispute with a colleague, as detailed in a report by BBC News.
- Femicide: The Femicide Census reported that between 2010 and 2019, 52 women in the UK were killed by men who were serving or former military personnel.
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Very extreme cases, not the norm. I have never witnessed anything like this and obviously this happens in lots of work places not just the army. It happens in the Police, fire service, Navy etc.
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Agreed, but it just shows what bullying can do if it's not addressed properly
