Fixing shower rail to ceiling

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I have an oval shower rail to attach to the ceiling and I'm not sure of the best fixing method.

I've been up into the loft and added noggins where the brackets will go to ensure it's attached to something solid. The ceiling looks to have been boarded twice over the original lath and plaster, so there's maybe 40-50mm before the screws hit the noggins. Am I best off using some kind of plug, or would it be ok to just use screws that are long enough to reach a decent depth in the noggins? Just a bit concerned that it'll be difficult to drill pilot holes that deep and don't want to risk pulling the brackets through the plaster by driving the screws too hard.

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You need to fix through to solid timber, because someone is almost bound to swing on the rail. A metal detector, or even a rare earth magnet will help you find the plasterboard screws, find a row of those and you have found the locations of the timbers and where you can fix.
 
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You need to fix through to solid timber, because someone is almost bound to swing on the rail. A metal detector, or even a rare earth magnet will help you find the plasterboard screws, find a row of those and you have found the locations of the timbers and where you can fix.
The OP has already fitted noggins in the loft, assuming they are well attached to the joists, wouldn't that be enough?
 
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The OP has already fitted noggins in the loft, assuming they are well attached to the joists, wouldn't that be enough?

That depends on how well they are fixed to the joists. My personal preference is to always fix to joists where ever possible.
 
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Is this like a shower grab rail? Or for a shower curtain rail?

Ceiling, so probably a curtain rail. A curtain is not heavy, but someone in the future is bound to swing on the rail. Mine is fixed to the walls and the corner bracket into a joist. There have been multiple times when standing on the bath to paint the ceiling etc., when I have grabbed the rail for support.
 
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Thanks all for your responses.

That depends on how well they are fixed to the joists. My personal preference is to always fix to joists where ever possible.

I've attached the noggins with multiple coach screws, so can't see any problems there.

Something like a turbogold won't even need piloting into the noggin and will go straight through the plasterboard:

https://www.screwfix.com/c/screws-n...egory=cat840066&brand=turbogold&sort_by=price

Good luck :)

I've used these in the past and they are really good at driving without piloting first. My only concerns are that the screw head will be gold and the bracket is silver, and I'm not sure if these will withstand being in a steamy environment without rusting?
 
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You could use turbosilvers?
Stainless screws could also be used, but would probably need a pilot drill - they also wouldn't be suitable if your brackets were aluminium (you could get galvanic corrosion).
 
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Ceiling, so probably a curtain rail. A curtain is not heavy, but someone in the future is bound to swing on the rail. Mine is fixed to the walls and the corner bracket into a joist. There have been multiple times when standing on the bath to paint the ceiling etc., when I have grabbed the rail for support.
Absolutely ridiculous, if you've needed to grab hold of a curtain rail whilst you're decorating to balance yourself you're doing it all wrong. My kids have never hung of the rail either, if anyone pulls on a curtain, the hangers merely detach themselves. It can be fixed into the plasterboard, it weighs so little. Essential to fix into to the joists: utterly ridiculous.
 
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Absolutely ridiculous, if you've needed to grab hold of a curtain rail whilst you're decorating to balance yourself you're doing it all wrong. My kids have never hung of the rail either, if anyone pulls on a curtain, the hangers merely detach themselves. It can be fixed into the plasterboard, it weighs so little. Essential to fix into to the joists: utterly ridiculous.

I was brought up to ensure things were fixed substantially, nothing I fixed, ever fell off the wall or the ceiling. The only way to paint our bathroom ceiling, or a least the bit over the bath, is by standing on the bath and using the rail for balance. We also use the bath for washing large heavy quilts, which weigh almost as much as me when wet - the rail is perfect for hanging them up to drain and become light enough to actually transport outdoor to the washing line. They will not fit in the machine, I don't live in the sort of area where a laundrette might be found, so the bath is the only way.

When they were young, the kids would hang on the rail too - voluntarily might I add and they would swing on the radiators too. Its what kids do, which was why I made sure they were also well fixed.
 
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