Flummoxed by spot lamp instructions

[Eurosceptic]

Hi

Hope everyone keeping well. Bought this lamp for our kitchen but bit perplexed by design and instructions. (I know that’s entirely down to me)

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3366260

Context is using WAGO boxes due to lack of cable in ceiling.

1. The connector block for the three lamps is on the extreme end of the fitting, obviously won’t move far. Does that mean I’ve got to run three long wires from the WAGOs in the ceiling, down the hole in the middle and then all the way along the ceiling into the connector?
2. Guess I’d have put these in sleeves.
3. Also not helped by the terminals needed pointing outwards.
4. Also doesn’t look like the fitting will push snugly against the ceiling with the connector block in the way?
5. Don’t think I can dispense with the block and run the brown and blue wires directly into the WAGOs as the wires aren’t long enough.

Never seen anything like it?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Regards.

 

[EFLImpudence]

1. The connector block for the three lamps is on the extreme end of the fitting, obviously won’t move far. Does that mean I’ve got to run three long wires from the WAGOs in the ceiling, down the hole in the middle and then all the way along the ceiling into the connector?

Three wires, yes - one cable.

2. Guess I’d have put these in sleeves.

The cable will probably have a sheath.

3. Also not helped by the terminals needed pointing outwards.

the wires will probably bend so you can point it in another direction.

4. Also doesn’t look like the fitting will push snugly against the ceiling with the connector block in the way?

Move it out of the way, then.

5. Don’t think I can dispense with the block and run the brown and blue wires directly into the WAGOs as the wires aren’t long enough.

Obviously.

Never seen anything like it?

Get out more.



The ceiling will have to house a suitable junction box. Is there enough space?


A more suitable light that has enough room and covers the ceiling hole will probably be better.
Spots are not ideal for kitchens.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

5. Don’t think I can dispense with the block and run the brown and blue wires directly into the WAGOs as the wires aren’t long enough.

Then you will need to insert, a short section of three core flex. The WAGO's will also need to be installed in an enclosure.

 

[ericmark]

A junction box

turns the three cables into one, you can get maintenance free, that is up to you, the ceiling rose does the job of a junction box, and if you have the room, swapping the connector block to four instead of three can work, but seems you're lacking the room required.

 

[Eurosceptic]

Three wires, yes - one cable.


The cable will probably have a sheath.


the wires will probably bend so you can point it in another direction.


Move it out of the way, then.


Obviously.


Get out more.



The ceiling will have to house a suitable junction box. Is there enough space?


A more suitable light that has enough room and covers the ceiling hole will probably be better.
Spots are not ideal for kitchens.

Thanks

First response-I can easily connect wires from 1.5mm T&E at the WAGO end, but how would I navigate cable through the small hole in the mounting plate. Sorry for being obtuse.

Second response-noted.

Third response-they do indeed. Thanks.

Fourth response-just enough wriggle room. Thanks.

Fifth response-obviously.

Sixth response-watch this space.

Final comments-1. Chose this spot lamp because securing screws well outside the hole.

Then you will need to insert, a short section of three core flex. The WAGO's will also need to be installed in an enclosure.

Noted. Thanks

 

[EFLImpudence]

First response-I can easily connect wires from 1.5mm T&E at the WAGO end, but how would I navigate cable through the small hole in the mounting plate. Sorry for being obtuse.

I'm not sure I understand the problem.
If the hole is too small for the cable then why do you think it has to go through that hole?
There certainly wouldn't be room for a grommet so it seems unlikely that is the intention.


Having looked at the pictures closer I see that the middle connector block - for the earth wire - has no wire in it.
Quite often lights have a small tab which fits in the connector block and allows the supply earth wire to connect with the body of the light.
Is there such a thing from which the connector has become separated?

 

[Eurosceptic]

A junction box View attachment 387245 turns the three cables into one, you can get maintenance free, View attachment 387247 that is up to you, the ceiling rose does the job of a junction box, and if you have the room, swapping the connector block to four instead of three can work, but seems you're lacking the room required.

Thanks. I knew about the need for WAGO enclosure. Not sure if enough room. If I’m going to be running a T&E to connect the three WAGO blocks to the connector block, does that negate the need for a junction box?

No room for bigger connector block in this scenario.

 

[SUNRAY]

What I did:

I Had the luxury of just a single T&E cable so that simplified the operation.

1. Removed mounting plate from fitting, enlarged the hole (I assume to 16 or 20mm), fitted a grommet and threaded the T&E through, fixed the plate to the ceiling.
2. Removed the connector block and separated the wires.
3. Removed the 2 white plastic pieces and the 2 nuts.
4. Swapped the 2 fittings.
5. Refitted the 2 nuts and the 2 white plastic pieces.
6. Refitted the connector block to the wires.

7. Terminated the T&E into the connector block.
8. Fitted the unit to the plate.
Tested and powered then stood back and wondered why anybody would want such a horrible light source, especially in the kitchen where that was

I fully realise the situation is different, but the first thing I'd do is find out how much slack you have on your T&Es to see if any of the above may apply.

There are other options:
Can you mount the light off to one side such that its connector block coincides with the position of the hole/cables?
Fit an enclosure on the ceiling to form the junction box then mount the light on the enclosure

 

[Eurosceptic]

I'm not sure I understand the problem.
If the hole is too small for the cable then why do you think it has to go through that hole?
There certainly wouldn't be room for a grommet so it seems unlikely that is the intention.


Having looked at the pictures closer I see that the middle connector block - for the earth wire - has no wire in it.
Quite often lights have a small tab which fits in the connector block and allows the supply earth wire to connect with the body of the light.
Is there such a thing from which the connector has become separated?

Hi

1. Couldn’t see any room for cable to drop down and be fed to the block at the end of the fitting. No room at side/top/underneath mounting plate, when fitting is secured to it.

2. Nothing in the block, just a plastic label with L/N/E in the channel of the lamp.

 

[Eurosceptic]

What I did:

I Had the luxury of just a single T&E cable so that simplified the operation.View attachment 387251
1. Removed mounting plate from fitting, enlarged the hole (I assume to 16 or 20mm), fitted a grommet and threaded the T&E through, fixed the plate to the ceiling.
2. Removed the connector block and separated the wires.
3. Removed the 2 white plastic pieces and the 2 nuts.
4. Swapped the 2 fittings.
5. Refitted the 2 nuts and the 2 white plastic pieces.
6. Refitted the connector block to the wires.View attachment 387252
7. Terminated the T&E into the connector block.
8. Fitted the unit to the plate.
Tested and powered then stood back and wondered why anybody would want such a horrible light source, especially in the kitchen where that was

I fully realise the situation is different, but the first thing I'd do is find out how much slack you have on your T&Es to see if any of the above may apply.

There are other options:
Can you mount the light off to one side such that its connector block coincides with the position of the hole/cables?
Fit an enclosure on the ceiling to form the junction box then mount the light on the enclosur

Many thanks for the acknowledgement that this is a mother and father/auntie and uncle to fit. Re your process re “swapping the two white plastic pieces and nuts around”.

Length of cable- at the moment I just have the three WAGO boxes in ceiling (not the one with the three live connections) ready to connect to the connector block via T&F I was going to add.

Cheers

 

[Eurosceptic]

Meant can you explain that step of your process. Thanks

 

[Eurosceptic]

Meant can you explain that step of your process. Thanks

Can see what you've done now.

Best regards

 

[SUNRAY]

Very crude and not to scale but roughtly speaking the silver mounting plate/bracket is screwed to the the ceiling with the cable through a grommet in the enlatged hole, connector block pretty much flat against the plate and the 3 internal cables crammed into the remaining space, there was certainly not the sort of space available as shows here: