Fujifilm Cameras

Also the OM1 has built in ND filters so no need to buy filters to stop down the lens which I think is a bonus
 
does the mk1 have that ??? or is it the mk11 , or is it gradualted filters on mk11 - i used grad ND a few times in landscape - but that was the cokin system - wow had that since the 70's nolonger have them - sold recently (while about 8 years ago or so - infact i may still have held onto a few

ok, just asked chatgpt for a comarison table and its the grad filters thats on the mk11
 
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Highway Man said:
The type of photography I was thinking at first was wildlife, I love nature and animals in general. I like the look of street photography too, I like the artistic type of street photography. I also like the look of landscape photography too. I think it is a bit of this and a bit of that type of photography.
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I worked as a pro for a while. That took me round he world.. I never went anywhere without cameras dripping off me.
Don't buy the Canon 5D. That's too old a model. The later ones, 5D3, 5D4... were much much better.

First question after seeing your quote, is how are you going to view the pictures?? If only ever at net resolution, you don't need a 24MP sensor, etc.
Are you going to print pictures bigger than say A4? a 4k monitor is only 8MP. 48MP sensors on camera phones with 7.6 x 5.7mm sensors don't make a lot of sense. Phone lenses cannot be made to resolve a 1.2µ pixel. The wavelength of light is too big!

Yes get a Photoshop type program. I got quite good with that. It's easy after the first few thousand hours.

A very small sensor is a pain when the light gets dim, but the stuff you have to carry is so very much less. If you can carry micro 4/3rds, yes that's decent.
Long lenses, are difficult. Everything is against you, you need a huge diameter for it to be good. TBH, some of the Bridge cameras make a very good compromise if you get one with one of the larger aperures at the long end. People expect too much. That monster lens all the wildlife camera guys use on tv, is usually a 500mm f4. The "Red" sensor is super24, at 24 x 14mm, not far off the MFT at 17 x 13.
So the magnification on MFT would be approz 500/the diagonal 21, so about 23x. Not that high! The lens has to be f4, or the resoution wouldn't be as good. It's a bit complex.
I used to use a 300 f2.8, though I had longer ones. They were barely worth using because they weren't quite as sharp centrally.

I'm out of date by many years now.
I just looked at the Coolpix P1100, That's a good compromise between many things,. Tha max magnification is ridiculous, but in mid range it's still long, and should be pretty good.

As with all tech, don't go for the latest and greatest. Read the reviews carefully. Last year's model is likely to be nearly as good and half the price.

If you decide to get an interchangeable long lens, it'll be a zoom. Don't bother going longer than 400mm, the long end will be pretty poor if you're only spending a few grand. The Sigmas were about the best bang per buck.. There was one which went to 500mm, but it was acknowledged that you did better cropping the 400mm image.

Looking atthat Olympus quoted above, ok, though that 40-150 isn't spectacular atthe long end. The wide range zooms usually aren't.
I know it's your whole budget, new, but the
M.Zuiko Digital ED 300mm F4.0 IS PRO might become achievable used, after a while . It would knock spots off the shorter zoom, it's exactly what you'd enjoy for wildlife. At 300/21 that's about 14x. Imagine, in comparison to binoculars. Not all that long, but very useful.
 
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Justin Passing said:
I worked as a pro for a while. That took me round he world.. I never went anywhere without cameras dripping off me.
Don't buy the Canon 5D. That's too old a model. The later ones, 5D3, 5D4... were much much better.

First question after seeing your quote, is how are you going to view the pictures?? If only ever at net resolution, you don't need a 24MP sensor, etc.
Are you going to print pictures bigger than say A4? a 4k monitor is only 8MP. 48MP sensors on camera phones with 7.6 x 5.7mm sensors don't make a lot of sense. Phone lenses cannot be made to resolve a 1.2µ pixel. The wavelength of light is too big!

Yes get a Photoshop type program. I got quite good with that. It's easy after the first few thousand hours.

A very small sensor is a pain when the light gets dim, but the stuff you have to carry is so very much less. If you can carry micro 4/3rds, yes that's decent.
Long lenses, are difficult. Everything is against you, you need a huge diameter for it to be good. TBH, some of the Bridge cameras make a very good compromise if you get one with one of the larger aperures at the long end. People expect too much. That monster lens all the wildlife camera guys use on tv, is usually a 500mm f4. The "Red" sensor is super24, at 24 x 14mm, not far off the MFT at 17 x 13.
So the magnification on MFT would be approz 500/the diagonal 21, so about 23x. Not that high! The lens has to be f4, or the resoution wouldn't be as good. It's a bit complex.
I used to use a 300 f2.8, though I had longer ones. They were barely worth using because they weren't quite as sharp centrally.

I'm out of date by many years now.
I just looked at the Coolpix P1100, That's a good compromise between many things,. Tha max magnification is ridiculous, but in mid range it's still long, and should be pretty good.

As with all tech, don't go for the latest and greatest. Read the reviews carefully. Last year's model is likely to be nearly as good and half the price.

If you decide to get an interchangeable long lens, it'll be a zoom. Don't bother going longer than 400mm, the long end will be pretty poor if you're only spending a few grand. The Sigmas were about the best bang per buck.. There was one which went to 500mm, but it was acknowledged that you did better cropping the 400mm image.

Looking atthat Olympus quoted above, ok, though that 40-150 isn't spectacular atthe long end. The wide range zooms usually aren't.
I know it's your whole budget, new, but the
M.Zuiko Digital ED 300mm F4.0 IS PRO might become achievable used, after a while . It would knock spots off the shorter zoom, it's exactly what you'd enjoy for wildlife. At 300/21 that's about 14x. Imagine, in comparison to binoculars. Not all that long, but very useful.
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Thank you, some experienced advice here
 
I also asked about post processing earlier

I guess you can split into a few sections

1) - what are you going to photograph - leads to
2) - what kit you want to buy , Lenses (macro, wide angle , telephoto , stock lense kept on body) , camera Body, Flash , tripod, bag to carry all the stuff in
3) - Technique and learning photography - to get those shots - maybe books from library , i read loads and loads of books back in 70's when i first started
4) - post processing , what are you going to do with the images

4) - what are you going to do with the images ?
I was lucky enough to get photoshop7 many many years ago and built my own computer , also had a Nikon scanner so LARGE file sizes to manipulate - i moved on to photoshopCs2 and then to the lite versions and photoshop elements ,which is an excellent program , now they have lightroom and i have never used that
An good FREE alternative to photoshop is GIMP works on mac OSX and windows, I moved away from windows in 2017 to Apple

Printers I had a canon as was rated best inkjet for photography 2000's BUT having been to a photoshow in NEC , I purchased a Dyesub printer, no longer available and produced some excellent prints

2) - I see the OM does not have an inbuilt flash , I used flash a lot (I had the best canon flash at the time and off camera cords and various frames for camera ) the reson i found flash useful was for outside portraits, wedding and using fill flash
I had reflectors and studio flash as well - BUT i used those less and less

as this is very long thread now - it maybe worth just reviewing the whole thing and noting some of the advice and suggestions , a lot can be easily missed and its often just going back over, also maybe answering various questions on parts of the thread you have missed

I used to use dpreview and the main photo review site , but it just does not seem to be as good as the old days - not many FULL reviews - just previews - shame that uised to be really good for comparisons and seeing images taken at various settings

Now you have sort of landed on a body OM1 - I would review that against similar priced bodies and see if it has everything you may want
Lenses is where i would put the bulk of my money - i purchased the lesser canon body , as i dod not need weatherproof etc and saved about £300 years ago - and chucked all that into the lenses

Shame i cant find a 50mm equivalent (25mm) F1.8, f1.4 F1.2 Macro for that setup - I loved my 50mm F1.8 ( but they are so cheap , not in 4/3rd, as that was the standard lens on all cameras from way back and the tech to make them was outstanding lenses was high for the 50mm ) and used very very often , and then i sold that and got a 50mm Macro lens - so i had best of both worlds - although maybe extension tubes would do - not sure , i used extension tubes on my canon for close up macro work

At the end of the day, you need to test out that body , as i mentioned I just hated and could not get on with Nikon, the canon for ma had every laid out so I could do things easily while the camera was at my eye

Also consider TESTING the 2nd hand kit and what the returns policy is, lenses easy to test , but bodies maybe more difficult , as i mentioned i only purchased a body 2nd hand once from LCE and had to take it back , but have opurchased loads of used lenses
 
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But there are thousands of EF used lenses to choose from.
Justin Passing said:
I worked as a pro for a while. That took me round he world.. I never went anywhere without cameras dripping off me.
Don't buy the Canon 5D. That's too old a model. The later ones, 5D3, 5D4... were much much better.
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The original 5D would be about 20 years old now. But to clarify the only 5D being discussed here is the 5D Mk4, which is still 9 years old.
 
To try to answer questions on what I want to do.
Wild life.
Street photography
Landscapes
Night photography.

These are the areas I am interested in. I am not looking to turn pro. Just take nice photos and being a bit creative with it. No printing over 10x8 size. Maybe no printing at all to be honest.
 
motorbiking said:
But there are thousands of EF used lenses to choose from.

The original 5D would be about 20 years old now. But to clarify the only 5D being discussed here is the 5D Mk4, which is still 9 years old.
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It was the Mk 4 I was looking at. It still seems to be a good buy.
 
i and others have covered

Wild life.
Street photography
Landscapes
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and made suggestions for what sort of lenses you may need for that , as has others

the 300mm lens mentioned seems a great bit of kit from what i can real

Night photography
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- thats different, and depends on what you mean, i took a lot of landscapes at night and the classic vehicle light streams, firework displays - so a tripod is required for that - you will not hand hold , maybe with a fast lines 2.8 and IS lens/body - but then 2.8 may have a DoF issue so for good DoF - tripod
and low light indoor wedding photos when pouring with rain outside and in church without flash

No printing over 10x8 size. Maybe no printing at all to be honest.
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Then all the large mpixel is going to be wasted

a print of 8x10" and high quality - what used to be called coffee table will need to be at 300Pixels Per inch or Dots per inch - another subject of its own

10" X 300 = 3000
8" X 300 = 2400

so an image with that range of pixels - 3000x2400 will print out a nice 10x8 image
but to get that ratio may need cropping and that needs to be thought about in camera when taking the picture

you have 4/3 ratio on the camera thinging about

the further away you are the less PPI / DPI you need

a screen resoltion is
most iPhones at 460 ppi and Macs generally ranging from 218 to 254 ppi. For example, the iPhone 16 has a 460 ppi display, a 14.2-inch MacBook Pro has 254 ppi, and a 24-inch iMac has 218 ppi.
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Not used windows for ages - but i guess 1080 HD screen maybe 90 to 140 ish PPI

It was the Mk 4 I was looking at. It still seems to be a good buy.
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if you are now into 5D mk4 - then a whole different game for the lenses - "L" lens for the top quality ones
I had a couple and the difference was brilliant

canon make a lot of zooms and cheap ones are quite soft and distorted on image - fine for average use - i would say having owned a few for full frame and for crop sensors

you can take
Just take nice photos
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with a bridge camera , i was thinking of buying the Sony RX10 mk4 a few years ago rated as the best bridge camera - went in to LCE to talk and maybe purchase and it had been discontinued

so you could just get a Bridge camera and take nice photos and print out 10x8
 
The more I look at cameras the wider the choice. What I have come up with is this. Every camera manufacturer is trying to take your money and advertising they have the latest and greatest tech. It seems a bit of a con to me as they are suggesting without these features they offer that you are missing out. It’s like buying a microwave oven in you can spend a fortune and not even miss those features or fall into the trap of thinking you have to spend a fortune.
 
The reason I keep going back and forth with camera choice is it is so confusing. Everyone says go Mirrorless then some pros are going back to Mirrored DSLR.
 
yep, no different to cars
but there will be standout options - like one of the best bridge cameras at the moment is
Or a starting kit for people who want interchangeable

you will never get a choice going back and forth - as you say Mirror/mirrorless - I have always had mirror , can see the advantage of mirror less
BUT you said

I just want to take nice photo and maybe print 10x8

Pros - will have a different reason for the kit , so if you compare to a pro again back and forth

in the old days , the choice was for a system really only canon and nikon and they passed each other ever 6mths with what was best

NOW loads more choice , as I say go into a shop and hold some of these things and maybe talk to shop like LCE - who have very knowledgable stuff and they are not just trying to make a sale for whatever they have in stock - at least thats my experiance
 
This may help
what have you shortlisted so far and within budget and cover all types of photography

pros and cons

When of my BIG cons has been handling and lugging the stuff around , i just stopped as other members have said here

i'm probably replying to much and not helping, to passionate about it and training people and helping probably 20-30 people buy kit

i used to work in a huge HIfi shop in the 70's and same thing loads and loads of choice

speed the weekend with you phone and take loads of photos that you would if had the kit
write down all the photos that didnt work and why
 
So I think it is a good choice with OM 1 Mk1. Decent price. Less size and weight fair amount of lenses of various prices.
 
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