Garage lighting

[Highway Man]

I've got one I can reach it whilst in the bath.

I put mine in the bath, its so much easier than stretching

 

[BS3036]

Which is not the same as [etc]

If you read you copy of the regulations carefully you will see that BS 7671 does not need to define every single piece of electrical hardware in Part 2 because Regulation 511.1 requires that every item of equipment selected and erected must comply with the appropriate British or Harmonized Standard.

- When a manufacturer builds a batten fitting, they cannot test and CE/UKCA mark it against a lampholder standard. They must certify it to BS EN 60598 (Luminaires).

- When a manufacturer builds a pendant socket, they certify it to BS EN 60238 or BS EN 61184 (Lampholders).

- Because the hardware itself is legally defined and certified by its product standard (listed in Appendix 1 of BS 7671), an installer cannot reclassify a certified luminaire as a "lampholder" simply because BS 7671 Part 2 doesn't list the word.

 

[SUNRAY]

As:
OP wishes the fittings to be moveable and
if they are marked as double insulated and
only require L&N connexions.

An obvious answer could be to provide a socket and plug for each fitting.
CPC as far as the socket
twin flex from there to the fitting
easy to move out of the way.

 

[morqthana]

If you read you copy of the regulations carefully you will see that BS 7671 does not need to define every single piece of electrical hardware in Part 2 because Regulation 511.1 requires that every item of equipment selected and erected must comply with the appropriate British or Harmonized Standard.

OK.

- When a manufacturer builds a batten fitting, they cannot test and CE/UKCA mark it against a lampholder standard. They must certify it to BS EN 60598 (Luminaires).

OK.

- When a manufacturer builds a pendant socket, they certify it to BS EN 60238 or BS EN 61184 (Lampholders).

OK.

- Because the hardware itself is legally defined and certified by its product standard (listed in Appendix 1 of BS 7671), an installer cannot reclassify a certified luminaire as a "lampholder" simply because BS 7671 Part 2 doesn't list the word.

Not sure that's the case.

If an arrangement is safe without a cpc because the item being connected is called one thing rather than another, then it would be just as safe were you to change the name you call it.

120.3, 133.1.3

 

[morqthana]

As:
OP wishes the fittings to be moveable and
if they are marked as double insulated and
only require L&N connexions.

An obvious answer could be to provide a socket and plug for each fitting.
CPC as far as the socket
twin flex from there to the fitting
easy to move out of the way.

Or T/E to a junction box and 2C flex from there.

 

[pete01]

If anyone ever reads this thread in the future, just use 3 core cable.

 

[SUNRAY]

Or T/E to a junction box and 2C flex from there.

That is open to interpretation

A short link from a JB by every light would be OK - just think about how many accessories come with a short 2 core flex to be wired in permanently.

But running flex from light to light and clipped in is a NO because the twin becomes part of the permanent wiring.

 

[morqthana]

 

[SUNRAY]

The irony is I was going to post something similar earlier as an example of a single fitting

 

[BS3036]

So what? There is no way you wired all those lamps yourself. It is a purchased luminaire fixed to a point having (one would hope) a CPC equipped. It has no bearing on your silly argument against the regulations. Stop being so childish!

 

[morqthana]

A short link from a JB by every light would be OK

Why "short"?

How "short"?

Are there regulations?

But running flex from light to light and clipped in is a NO because the twin becomes part of the permanent wiring.

In the light fitting I showed, what if there was more than one lampholder on each length of flex, and multiple ceiling clips?


Now I know that there are people on this forum who, possibly because they don't like thinking about things, will try to portray me asking questions like this as trolling, or picking, or being childish.

I don't do it for any of those reasons. I do it because I am not like them, and I do like to think.

 

[morqthana]

So what?

So THINK.

There is no way you wired all those lamps yourself.

No.

But what if I had? OK, I might struggle to produce a central ceiling component which looked like that, but electrically I could reproduce it and I'm sure that so could a lot of people here.

So aesthetics aside what would be the difference between a purchased luminaire and a DIY arrangement of lights connected to a point on the lighting circuit with 2-core flex?

THINK.

It is a purchased luminaire fixed to a point having (one would hope) a CPC equipped.

Only someone stupid would think I was saying he could use 2-core flex in the circuit to the point where the flex to a suspended light fitting was connected.

It has no bearing on your silly argument against the regulations. Stop being so childish!

I have no silly argument against the regulations.

What I have is an inquiring mind, and what I am doing is questioning those who claim the regulations say something which they may not. Why is that childish?

 

[cdbe]

Thanks. I've used the t&e, binned the 3x circuits as I realised I'd need to run 3 lots of 3 core for the 2 way switching and just fixed the lights above the "corridor" for now.

I think the photos sort of shows why I have currently offset the lights, with the vehicles pushed over to the left. I think the car garage will be ok and I've left a bit of length on the feed to the caravan garage if I wan to move them across in the future.

I've noticed that the circuit is just off the garage power via an FCU so maybe I could have just used the orange stuff, hung the lights from some hooks, used some inline switches and stuck a plug on the end.

I've also extend the 13amp socket radial, my sister who's helping me said "why don't you just screw a few extension lead sockets to the wall, like my garage and dad's garage, they even have screw holes in the back"?