Gas analyser

[Legion]

Hello Peeps, anyone recommend a good but not too expensive gas analyser? Thanks, how to use one on an old combi would be handy also.Thanks. Does that come with the instructions? only seen one once, looked like something they scan your groceries with at Tesco`s.

 

[glasgowgas]

Anton sprint V2

 

[Agile]

They cost from about £300 tp over £1000.

The basic models are around £500 inc vat and each year they seem to have a few extra functions.

It all depends what you are planning to do with it.

I am of course talking about flue gas analysers!

Kevin at GES will give good advice and he can supply some types and gives a discount to members of ARGI.

Tony

 

[Legion]

still frikkin` expensive then, these really required as long as you do service old fashioned way, some engineers just test emissions get good readings and don`t bother opening boiler. Any opinions or should I just stop being a tight so and so and buy one. Better service/worse service what say all who give a monkeys?

 

[Paul Barker]

If you strip and clean can visually check flame picture can set max min bp and ignition pressure don't need one on band B and below. Need one for band A these days.

 

[bengasman]

Kevin at GES will give good advice and he can supply some types and gives a discount to members of ARGI.

Tony

In case you decide to follow the above advice (G&ES are the best company to go to)

http://www.gesuk.com/

is where you will find the info.

 

[Legion]

Thanks, Agile, Ben. In your opinion are these an excuse for not doing proper service if you get right emission readings? Do you have to bother checking all else if you get these readings within the guidelines, I don`t mean the official gas safe instruction but do you think that these analysers replace the good old service with a cup of tea days of old?



By all means, don`t bother to answer if you are too busy.

 

[Paul Barker]

Thanks, Agile, Ben. In your opinion are these an excuse for not doing proper service if you get right emission readings? Do you have to bother checking all else if you get these readings within the guidelines, I don`t mean the official gas safe instruction but do you think that these analysers replace the good old service with a cup of tea days of old?



By all means, don`t bother to answer if you are too busy.

You have to either gas rate or check BP and check the casing seal and flue condition. Perform flu and spillage tests on open flued and ventilation.

What is your real agenda?

If it fails performance test you also have to strip and clean. Then depends what readings you get as to what you do next.

 

[mickyg]

If your a gas engineer then you (should)understand the combustion of gas, therefore can judge for yourself whether "combustion" analysis equipment would be useful to you or not.
If you want my opinion I think the practice of "flue poking" as carried out by the likes of BG is a very poor way of working, not so much because of the safety but from a point of view of preventing needless breakdowns, and more time consuming major services in the future(with some exceptions)

 

[Legion]

If your a gas engineer then you (should)understand the combustion of gas, therefore can judge for yourself whether "combustion" analysis equipment would be useful to you or not.
If you want my opinion I think the practice of "flue poking" as carried out by the likes of BG is a very poor way of working, not so much because of the safety but from a point of view of preventing needless breakdowns, and more time consuming major services in the future(with some exceptions)

I think my point is valid. I am an old school service engineer. I am asking what engineers think of these new fangled machines that take the conscientiousness away from the engineer,is it good or bad to say, `emissions ok` I`m off or ``that thermocouple looks dodgy, that seal is badly frayed, i can see light in crack in combustion chamber which is supposedly room sealed``
Does this machine take away responsibility to a good service engineer? I think it might in a lot of cases.

 

[Paul Barker]

You don't have anything to appologise for.

To get to the point in hand, I got into analysers as soon as I qualified 5 years ago. And have had a stream of them. My first lesson was don't use one which isn't heavily protected by rubber. If you do use them they will be dropped or fall frequently. Secondly get a quality padded means of storing them. They are very expensive and die easily.

They have become much more user friendly over the 5 years.

As I sub to BG I get a Sprint 3 for free. Apart from mine needing a software fix but since it isn't mine there is no control I have over that, I love it. even use it for tightness testing. Partly because should the hse need to they could prove by checking it's stored data what the actual figures displayed when I tested. likewise the performance which I observed of a boiler could be proved after a subsequent event.

I don't see the whole issue as avoiding work by sticking a sensopr in a flue. You have to take the combustion chamber cover off anyway you have to fire up the analyser go to test point etc etc. It's no quicker than hoovering out a band D boiler but it makes you more capable to diagnose .

for some band A boilers the serious repair person would be lost without one and dangerous without one for some operations.

If you stick with band B boilers there is no need for an analyser, and infact I still find from experience that band B boilers are more reliable, cheaper probably will last longer and hardly noticeably less efficient.

Don't bother with second hand because analysers are more useful these days the older generation like KAne 400 are clumbsy, so not worth the inevitable major overhaul to get them working soon after you buy a second hand one. Better spend £150 more for a branner with beter more easy to use features and sensors that stand a chance of lasting long enough for you to get a return on your huge investment.

 

[Boilerman2]

If you are planning on purchasing an Analyser (ANTO SPRINT V2) Excellent, But you also need to book yourself on ACS Assessment CPA1 to learn how to use it properly, (I assume you already have Core + Appliances?)

 

[Legion]

If you are planning on purchasing an Analyser (ANTO SPRINT V2) Excellent, But you also need to book yourself on ACS Assessment CPA1 to learn how to use it properly, (I assume you already have Core + Appliances?)

Yeah, qualified fitter, service guy trying to move into breakdowns, judging by responses here will probably go it alone. If I need assistance will call helpline. (Be cheaper to replace boiler by the time you get through).

 

[Paul Barker]

I took cpa1 as soon as it came out but was using analyser to fix Alpha boilers long before. The piece of paper is worthless, but seems we need it now. Just another of the many costs we cover out of our hard earned profits.