Gas insert fire & ventilation

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I have an open, inset gas fire which was serviced by the Chimney.
I had the chimney taken down at loft level so was recommended a "power flue" consisting of a Fan fitted to my external wall. This decision I bitterly regret as over time, the Power Flue breaks down, is noisy and I would love to return to a Chimney.
I stand in the attic sometimes, staring at the remains of the chimney and with my total inexperience of these matters, cannot understand why a Chimney cannot be rebuilt vertically onto the existing remains of the original and the Fan disconnected enabling me to use the chimney without the need for the Power Flue and the solenoid? which prevents me turning the gas on before turning on the Fan.
Can any expert see any flaws in my theory?.... (but not too many please because I'm pinning all my hopes on it!)

Thanks in advance......

Marlbo
 
Not an expert, but it sounds entirely plausable to me - in fact the existing remnant will be easier to test and line if required at this stage. Thinking about it, you may not even need to build a brick chimney and may be able to connect an appropriate flue from the top of the stack to go through the roof :idea:
 
Not an expert
You may not be an expert cantaloup63, but you don't realise how happy your reply has made me..... (How sad is that?).
At least my hopes haven't been blown out of the water before I even start !

Many thanks.....

Marlbo
 
Rebuilding the chimney should not be a problem but i very much doubt you will be able to use the fire unless its a special that fits onto a seperate fan box which i doubt
 
Thanks for the reply gas112, I'm taking all these pointers on board although showing my ignorance here, not sure what a separate fan box would be?.
There was a Fan contained within a box but this was fitted along with the Power Flue to the external wall. Unless there was a fan within the chimney but there was no visible exterior fan anywhere before.
The only change they made as far as I know is that they said they had to remove the fire to fit a hood, but I've no idea what the hood was for.
I can only guess to fit within the chimney above the fan (to prevent any fumes passing by the Fan and being released into the Loft?) or.....
Perhaps to attach Flue Liner topped with a right angle joint into which the Fan is slotted to the exterior ???
Don't know if the external Fan is fitted directly over the hole in the wall or slots into tubing, maybe that's something I could look at tomorrow ?

Marlbo
 
You cannot use a powerflue fire adapted for use in a chimney, but no reason you cannot bring the chimney back into use (various options).

You will have to get a suitable fire for use in a natural draft flue
 
Thanks for your reply gasbanni !
I shouldn't have a problem there then because when I bought the fire new, it didn't have the Flue, the Power Flue was added 5 years later after the chimney came down.
I used to be able to just turn the ignition on located beneath the fire and that was it......Heaven !
Since the Flue, I have to turn the Power Flue on first otherwise the ignition doesn't work, then I wait for the noise it makes inside, the clattering of the Fan outside, unable to turn it up full due to it increasing the noise and then at some point it sometimes turns itself off.
I feel I'm being held prisoner by this Flue !
Just had a look up the chimney, instead of the usual gaping hole, it's always had an artificial insert where there are 5 circular holes about 4cm diameter set 2 cm apart.
Frustrating thing is I phoned the Showroom but was told they don't replace motors, I have to buy a new fire !!!

Marlbo
 
I shouldn't have a problem there then because when I bought the fire new, it didn't have the Flue, the Power Flue was added 5 years later after the chimney came down.

If your fire predates the fan, then you have an exhaust unit or something similiar, so clearly you can use the fire in a normal flue. But why did you go to the expense of the fan and conversion, and trunkating thre cimney? All sounds a bit weird to me.

Just had a look up the chimney, instead of the usual gaping hole, it's always had an artificial insert where there are 5 circular holes about 4cm diameter set 2 cm apart.

I don't understand what you mean. Are these holes part of the fire or actuall in the chimnbey? Any chance of a photo?

Frustrating thing is I phoned the Showroom but was told they don't replace motors, I have to buy a new fire !!!

That doesn't make any sense at all. If the fire is a standard ntural draught fire, and an exhausto type system has been fitted retrospectively, then, clearly, you CAN just change the fan! Unfortunately not all showroom staff are clued up. Did you buy the fire or conversion from this showroom? If so, ring again, and ask to speak to the proprietor.

I stand in the attic sometimes, staring at the remains of the chimney and with my total inexperience of these matters, cannot understand why a Chimney cannot be rebuilt vertically onto the existing remains of the original

You probably can reinststate the flue. You could rebuild the chimney in it's original form, or you could line it. However, if you have an INSET TRAY fire, then you may well need 7", rather than the more common 5", so you need the manufacturers instructions for the fire. You cannot just start the liner from the chimney stub, as, under part J, you cannot reduce the cross sectional area of the flue part way along it's length
 
Thanks for your reply expertgasman, people like me are really glad for people like you, giving impartial advice not driven by Sales Talk & promises where a sale is involved!
If your fire predates the fan, then you have an exhaust unit or something similiar, so clearly you can use the fire in a normal flue. But why did you go to the expense of the fan and conversion, and trunkating thre cimney? All sounds a bit weird to me.

Yes it was weird and will try to keep it short but:
I had two chimneys in two separate rooms on the same wall, they went straight up until they met in the Loft in an A shape, topped by the chimney.
I had one chimney totally removed all the way up, leaving the remaining servicing the fire. Few years later I heard slight sound of something falling down the chimney, this went on over 8 days, not constantly but every few hours. Called in a Construction Engineer to tell me if it was safe or not and was charged a professional sized fee to tell me "Yes it was".....BUT if it wasn't, here is a plan of a Heath Robinson type contraption to support it. So I was none the wiser and to add insult to injury, he put his foot through the loft leaving a 10cm hole for me to fill !
As it was still an unknown quantity and for safety's sake, I decided to have the "lean" part of the chimney removed from the Loft (I bet you wished you never asked now!)

I don't understand what you mean. Are these holes part of the fire or actuall in the chimnbey? Any chance of a photo?

The holes are part of the fire, as if the fire grate was supplied in its own containing "box" and then the box slid into the original hearth so the back, sides and top are not the original hearth, the holes are set high at the back of the box facing outwards (as opposed to the top of the box facing downwards).
Photo Fire1 shows the fire, the holes are way up underneath the Hood.
Photo Fire 2 shows the back & side of the "Box".
I tried to take a photo of the holes but as I've only recently turned the Fire on, almost burnt my brains so can try that later. The fire has been on for about an hour has turned itself off once already and will probably be getting noisier soon so I will have to turn it off.

That doesn't make any sense at all. If the fire is a standard ntural draught fire, and an exhausto type system has been fitted retrospectively, then, clearly, you CAN just change the fan! Unfortunately not all showroom staff are clued up. Did you buy the fire or conversion from this showroom? If so, ring again, and ask to speak to the proprietor.

I'm sure the Fan can be replaced but I think the Showroom may have "blacklisted" me because I had the nerve to complain about the standard of work after the Flue had been fitted.
They told me it would be quiet - It isn't.
They told me the Fan doesn't break down - It has.
The Fitter left the gaping holes in the plaster after replacing the surround.
Dragged the cast iron surround across the polished slate hearth leaving many deep scratches.
The roofers they provided at the same time placed the extra roof supports for the heavier tiles onto a piece of 4x2 placed across the main beams instead of the main beams themselves.


You probably can reinststate the flue. You could rebuild the chimney in it's original form, or you could line it. However, if you have an INSET TRAY fire, then you may well need 7", rather than the more common 5", so you need the manufacturers instructions for the fire. You cannot just start the liner from the chimney stub, as, under part J, you cannot reduce the cross sectional area of the flue part way along it's length

I'm keeping note of all this extra advice !

Much appreciated...

Marlbo
 

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