Get the Tories Out!

[JohnD]

I'll be protest voting

Feel free to waste your vote. Isn't your usual Monster Raving Loony standing? Or Mr Bucket Head?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

This thread is exactly what the labour/tory coalition want, people arguing about which variation of crap is best.

Your gang's worse than my gang, bla bla etc. They're both useless, proving that the tories are useless doesn't prove that labour are wonderful or vice versa, this is the tedious, idiotic and pointless level of debate they want us to have. Divide the people and conquer them.

Vote for party A, they turn out to be terrible, so vote for party B, more of the same crap so vote for party A again, repeat for ever.

This garbage is exactly why I'll be protest voting for Reform, just to shake things up. But as it happens much of what they're saying makes sense. They're being falsely labelled as "right wing" by the establishment, in reality they're promising to nationalise the energy industry, which is far more socialist than Sir Kier is promising.

So why do you persist on your anti Labour rants ?

Great headlines by Reform. Any costings or details !

You think Reform are not right wing ? Ok. But even the express thinks they are

Boris's threat - the Reform Party which could smash Tory Government

BORIS JOHNSON'S Government has dropped below Labour in a recent poll following the announcement of his plan to hike National Insurance taxes for Britain's workers. But the threat could actually be coming from the newly rebranded Reform UK.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Notch7]

This garbage is exactly why I'll be protest voting for Reform, just to shake things up

If you think Richard Tice is a good alternative to garbage……..

 

[Deleted member 18243]

From Richard Tice:

‘On almost every measure the Tories have failed. Net migration has broken the 500,000 mark to set new records. Over 40,000 illegal immigrants have crossed the Channel this year alone. On some days criminal gangs bring nearly 1,300 migrants across – enough to fill a small holiday ferry. Meanwhile, civil servants book out 4-star luxury hotels to house them.

‘Many British families can’t afford a holiday next year. Yet they’re the ones footing the bill of £7million every day. For years the Tories promised to stop this welfare bonanza. But they’ve taken us for fools.

‘Since the ConSocialist coup against Liz Truss, the Tories have shown even more contempt for us.

‘Jeremy Hunt hit struggling communities with a devastating austerity Budget. It was a tax on working people. He could have cut waste such as HS2, or billions in handouts to renewable energy. Instead, he chose to make you and your family poorer. It was completely unnecessary.

‘This comes on top of self-harming Net Zero policies. An utterly broken NHS. Tory sleaze and corruption. The tragic legacy of the lockdown and much more.’

You can't argue with that.

 

[JohnD]

‘Since the ConSocialist coup against Liz Truss, the Tories have shown even more contempt for us.

Sounds like a pro-Truss activist.

Clearly a nutter.

 

[Notch7]

You can't argue with that

I encourage everybody to vote for Reform.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I encourage everybody to vote for Reform.

You want people to vote Reform to weaken the Conservative vote no doubt. I won't be voting for any party, voting is over - it's communism for ever for Britain.

 

[Pat ex]

I won't be voting for any party, voting is over

Oxymoron.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

You want people to vote Reform to weaken the Conservative vote no doubt. I won't be voting for any party, voting is over - it's communism for ever for Britain.

It gets complicated and self-defeating if you start thinking about tactical voting, you could end up ensuring the opposite of whatever you intended if you're not careful.

Best to vote for whatever party you think is the least terrible, don't analyse the whats and whys beyond that. With the current increase in support for Reform they could even possibly end up as a coalition partner with either one of the other two - a very outside chance but nothing's impossible. I'd definitely prefer a Reform coalition with either Tory or Labour to either one of the others without them.

The more likely outcome is that they won't gain seats but may cause enough of a shock to the old guard that they actually start adopting some of their ideas.

Remember that UKIP made the EU referendum happen while hardly getting any seats at all, just by causing panic among the tories despite the FPTP voting system keeping them at bay.

Nobody was forecasting the referendum result, the unexpected can actually happen. People voted for change, it hasn't happened so it looks likely that the rabble will rebel again, perhaps eventually they'll actually take notice if we kick them enough times.

 

[JohnD]

Nobody was forecasting the referendum result

Wrong.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

It gets complicated and self-defeating if you start thinking about tactical voting, you could end up ensuring the opposite of whatever you intended if you're not careful.

Best to vote for whatever party you think is the least terrible, don't analyse the whats and whys beyond that. With the current increase in support for Reform they could even possibly end up as a coalition partner with either one of the other two - a very outside chance but nothing's impossible. I'd definitely prefer a Reform coalition with either Tory or Labour to either one of the others without them.

The more likely outcome is that they won't gain seats but may cause enough of a shock to the old guard that they actually start adopting some of their ideas.

Remember that UKIP made the EU referendum happen while hardly getting any seats at all, just by causing panic among the tories despite the FPTP voting system keeping them at bay.

Nobody was forecasting the referendum result, the unexpected can actually happen. People voted for change, it hasn't happened so it looks likely that the rabble will rebel again, perhaps eventually they'll actually take notice if we kick them enough times.

The country is too "Balkanised" for any party to ever dominate; you cannot have democracy in a multicultural society. It's over.

Thanks Tony Blair.