Hall and landing light switch problems

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Hi can anyone please help me with this one as it is doing my head in!!
I thought it would be a relatively easy job to change the downstairs hallway double gang light switch but not so easy...
I Cannot get the switch to work properly and when you switch the downstairs light to work the upstairs light the downstairs light goes out.
Plus when the upstairs light is on the bedroom/bathroom lights do not work until the light is off??
have attached photos and would love someone to give me the answer!! :cry:
 
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sounds like you have swapped the switch live with the live supply to the next light in the circuit
but without any pictures i can't help you further.
 
Can't see attached pictures.
I will guess it should show View media item 11048View media item 11049etc.
Following normal wiring the first switch wiring does not seem to match second switch and the second switch seems to have too many wires.
The three core cable normally connects like to like so if red is in com as in first switch it should also be in the com in second switch but you have a yellow in that hole.
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hi thanks for coming back to me but before i changed the downstairs switch I never had a problem and ALL i have touched is the downstairs double gang switch --all the wiring on the upstairs single switch are as they were untouched!
 
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Following normal wiring the first switch wiring does not seem to match second switch
That's true.

I imagine it used to, and now it doesn't, and that's part of the problem. Possibly caused by one or both of the common COM/L1/L2 vs L1/L2/L3 and the inverted/non-inverted triangle layout confusions?


and the second switch seems to have too many wires.
It's exactly what you'd expect for a loop-at-the-switch circuit. Paul - how many black wires are in that bit of choc-block - is it 3?


The three core cable normally connects like to like so if red is in com as in first switch it should also be in the com in second switch but you have a yellow in that hole.
Indeed - Paul - the first thing you need to do is to identify the red, yellow and blue which are all part of the same 3C+E cable, and put them into terminals which match the upstairs switch. It doesn't matter which way round red & blue go, unless you're anal about switch rockers being symmetrical when the light is off, but the yellow must go in COM.

Nothing else should be in the terminals for that side of the switch.

Then, I suspect, you'll be left with 3 reds & 3 blacks, which are the loop-in & loop-out cables for the circuit, and the cable to the hall light.

All 3 blacks should be connected together (I suspect they are already).

It's possible that the red with the sleeving on goes to the light, so try that in L1 and the other 2 reds in COM.

If that doesn't work you'll need to try combinations of 2 reds in COM and 1 in L1 until you find the one that works.

Don't do any of this if my assumptions highlighted in blue are wrong.


when you switch the downstairs light to work the upstairs light the downstairs light goes out.
Plus when the upstairs light is on the bedroom/bathroom lights do not work until the light is off??
Have you just got one lighting circuit for the whole hose, not separate up & down?

If so and the circuit loop runs from the hall switch to the landing one then messing that up could explain those problems.
 
my guess BAS is...

live in, live out and a twin red at the upstairs switch..

change the downstairs to match the upstairs and you're golden..

yellow in com, red in L1, blue in L2

there seems to be an extra red in the downstairs 2 way switch? in with the red from the 3 core?

this should likely go with the red in the other com..
 
live in, live out and a twin red at the upstairs switch..

What about the minimum of 2 blacks that can be seen?

And if we have live in, live out, a twin red and a R/Y/B strapper, shouldn't we be able to see 5 reds?

there seems to be an extra red in the downstairs 2 way switch? in with the red from the 3 core?

this should likely go with the red in the other com..
It's not extra if the circuit loops at the switches, which would also account for the presence of the blacks at that switch....
 
good point about the 5 reds BAS.. :eek:
it was the red sleeved red than convinced me it was a twin red... :oops:

I still think the red is in the wrong switch downstairs.. ( I did say extra IN the 2 way switch.. not extra as in superfluous.. )

you have live in and switched live out upstairs so don't need anything else downstairs in the 2 way switch..

you'd also need live in and live out downstairs for the other lights which is curently in the wrong hole I think.. ( ie 2 reds in 1 way switch common.. )

edit...

which reading back properly is exactly what you said above.. :oops:
 
it was the red sleeved red than convinced me it was a twin red... :oops:
My guess is that it's the switched live for the downstairs light.

Purely on the basis that if you're going to mark any red when you loop at switches that's the one you'd logically pick.
 
upstairs you mean? the 1g switch is the upstairs switch..

I thought "why would you sleeve a red with red unless it's to indicate which is the switched live in a twin red?"
it never crossed my mind that you'd still have to ID it to distinguish it from the live in and live out... :oops:

easy mistake to make..
 
upstairs you mean? the 1g switch is the upstairs switch..
Yes, but I hadn't noticed the sleeving on the red there.

My turn - give it to me.

:oops:


Maybe that's the switched live too.


I thought "why would you sleeve a red with red unless it's to indicate which is the switched live in a twin red?"
it never crossed my mind that you'd still have to ID it to distinguish it from the live in and live out... :oops:
It's all just supposition until Paul CC gets back to us, but I think I'm likely to be right, particularly if there are 3 blacks in the choc-blocks.

Mainly on the basis that it's the explanation which works with what we can see. The only thing I'm not 100% on is if there's one lighting circuit or 2. I can instinctively see how the "this doesn't work unless that is on" behaviour could result from putting a switch in the way of the loop, but I've not sat down and worked out a circuit that would actually do that.
 

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