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How does a system boiler heat the water in the hot tank for taps?

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Please can someone explain what sort of pipe runs a plumber would have made in this situation in a friend's house as it doesn't appear that it should work.

A new system boiler was installed downstairs with internal pump, replacing an old heat only boiler that had a header tank in the loft. The header tank outlet and inlet was disconnected where it pasess through the upstairs airing cupboard and the old header tank mains feed now goes to a filling loop connected to what was the outlet of the header tank going to the boiler, all in the airing cupboard upstairs. I'm told the hot water system was originally gravity fed.

Two motorised valves tee'd off the flow next to the boiler downstairs, one going to central heating and one for hot water. return from hot water and central heating teed together near the boiler

Importantly, the hot water tank in the airing cupboard appears to be a direct tank and only has three connections. (1) What looks to be 28mm cold feed from a tank in the loft going in at the bottom, (2)hot outlet at the top feeding the taps plus teed off up to the loft, presumably to a vent and (3)a 15 mm outlet about 2/3 up the tank going to a shower pump. I can see no coil connections on it to make it an indirect cylinder.

My question is, how is the system boiler heating the hot water in the tank without having an indirect cylinder with an internal coil, which would mean as a minimum 4 connections on the hot tank?

If it's any help there was apparently an issue fitting a new heat only boiler due to the possibility of it pumping over at the vent, maybe as the old system was gravity fed, so a pressurized system boiler was fitted.
 
My question is, how is the system boiler heating the hot water in the tank without having an indirect cylinder with an internal coil, which would mean as a minimum 4 connections on the hot tank?
If there are no flow and return tappings on the cylinder to allow the boiler to be connected to the cylinder and it only has 2 immersion elements then it has to be a direct cylinder only heated by electricity.

That being said if there is a 2 port and a primary flow and return to the cylinder and they heat up when HW is selected then it must have connections, they could be round the back of the cylinder and just can't be seen? A pic of the cylinder and it's label would help.
 
Sort of what I was thinking but I've looked all round the cylinder and there are only 3 connections. I get that their hot water could be generated from an immersion heater (there is one in the tank) but then I'm puzzled as to where the pipe from the 'hot water' motorised valve goes. Its difficult to follow it once it goes through the downstairs ceiling. As far as I know it can only be an indirect cylinder heater via immersion or direct heated by the boiler but this seems to be indirect heated by the boiler, which is not possible! Hence my question , in case there was some unusual arrangement that I've never seen that would allow this.
 
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Yes, that's a possibility. I can't see any other explanation. It looks like there is no 'secret' way of heating a direct cylinder with a system boiler
 
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Yes, that's a possibility. I can't see any other explanation. It looks like there is no 'secret' way of heating an indirect cylinder with a system boiler
I'm confused, as you said it's a direct cylinder?
 
For an indirect cylinder to be heated by a CH boiler it needs at least 4 tappings. One at the bottom for the cold feed, 2 usually a 1/3rd of the way up for the primary flow and return to the coil and a HW outlet at the top.

If it doesn't have the tappings a 1/3rd of the way up then it's not an indirect cylinder and has to be heated by immersion elements even if it was a primatic cylinder it should have at least 4. That also raise the question though, why, absolutely no sense in not having an indirect cylinder when there's a system boiler to heat it.
 
Ok Thanks to all. You seem to have confirmed that there is no magic way this is being done that I don't know about. I agree it makes no sense doing it the way it seems to be done. I think I'll advise them to change the tank (which is quite old anyway) for an indirect one and do it properly.
 

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