ICE told to get the eff out

[Highway Man]

Are you talking about the bit where there is a thud and it looks like the agent might have been hit.

Is that a legal thing to do?

 

[Highway Man]

So why, when MNW67 posted about the legality of the shooting did you reply that he was



?

Not now, no time for your inquesition as you had to be there at the time, you obviously wasn't so not going through all that again. Leave it to MNW67 as he knows what the reasons were.

 

[MNW67]

Is that a legal thing to do?

I have already said, many times, that the first shot might have been lawful.

But to break down what is actually happening in that video.

The NY Times have synced all the available videos and this is what they have worked out:

That thud we hear isn't the car hitting the agent. Basically, the agent sees the car coming slowly forward and leans forward, placing his left hand on the bonnet to steady himself to shoot. His left hand is holding his phone. That thud is the sound of his phone bashing down on the bonnet. We then see a picture of the sky. Many assume that is because the agent has been knocked over. But what actually happened is that the phone twists in his hand and starts pointing upwards.

 

[motorbiking]

So you are sceptical that he suffered injuries as claimed?

 

[morqthana]

If we get an ICE system similar over here, ours would use tasers instead of guns.

Only in your insufficiently-dry dreams.

 

[noseall]

Take a look at the video

Late to the party with that one.

 

[morqthana]

Not now, no time for your inquesition

You never have when you find you've backed yourself into a corner and have got no answers.

 

[noseall]

If we get an ICE system similar over here

We already have passport checkers in the UK.

 

[motorbiking]

Even in the U.K. you’d get a use of force if you refused to comply with an order.

If you resist you will get more force.

You should always comply with a genuine order. You can sue for wrongful arrest later.

 

[MNW67]

So you are sceptical that he suffered injuries as claimed?

I would accept that he might have suffered some minor bruising. I don't accept that he nearly died.

 

[morqthana]

Even in the U.K. you’d get a use of force if you refused to comply with an order.

If you resist you will get more force.

You should always comply with a genuine order. You can sue for wrongful arrest later.

If the order isn't lawful is the use of force?

 

[MNW67]

If the order isn't lawful is the use of force?

It is in the US, at least in self-defence.

 

[motorbiking]

I would accept that he might have suffered some minor bruising. I don't accept that he nearly died.

Given the no hindsight rule and the US court’s reluctance to allow prosecution of LEOs who shoot in the heat of the moment under perceived threat, that doesn’t leave much chance of a prosecution.

I’m sure there will be a civil damages claim which will go the same way.

 

[Highway Man]

I would accept that he might have suffered some minor bruising. I don't accept that he nearly died.

At last, so you accept the first shot was legal, the timing of the other two shots were consistent with the first and it is obvious that she wasn't shot 3 times in the face as some others had suggested. So that's that then. Let us now have the thread locked and left at the point this was all above board.

 

[Highway Man]

We already have passport checkers in the UK.

Yes we have, but they are just that. Nigel will put a system in place like ICE who will check them more thoroughly and get them removed in a similar fashion.