ICE told to get the eff out

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I actually think that if, like me, you are willing to step back and look at this tragic event objectively, some important issues are highlighted.
I actually think that if you look at it to simply pick holes in then you can come up with a hundred and one reasons that she shouldn't have been shot. However if you look at it from a point of view of normality, by completely ignoring commands to get out of her car and you make the decision to ignore those commands then as an officer opens your door you accelerate towards another officer with a gun you can see how this has happened, let alone park your car in a way to obstruct the officers. Yes protesting is everyones right but there are rules and parking your car in the middle of the road and attempting to block the officers and attempt to run one over, then you can only expect a bad outcome,.
 
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I actually think that if, like me, you are willing to step back and look at this tragic event objectively, some important issues are highlighted.

In the USA, under the First Amendment, it is legal to protest peacefully. This includes recording or videoing law enforcement. That is what Renee's wife, Becca, was doing that day. In addition, chanting, beeping horns and blowing whistles have all been found to be lawful. Law enforcement might find it irritating and a nuisance, but it is all completely legal.

Turning to Renee, herself. She was parked across one lane of a two lane one way street. We can see from the videos that nobody was blocked or obstructed. In particular, the ICE agents were not obstructed, because their operation was being conducted more than a hundred yards away. We have still had no specifics about how the ICE agents believe Renee was obstructing them or attempting to obstruct them.

It is very likely that she was committing a minor traffic offence. It is important to understand that federal agents have no powers to enforce traffic offences. Because these are state/local offences, rather than federal offences. If local police had turned up and asked Renee to move, that would be a different matter. This highlights the different roles and powers of federal and state/local law enforcement.
I was surprised you didn’t try the “minor traffic offence” earlier. If it was unrelated to her intention to obstruct and interfere then it would be true that the Federal officers should have called local police to deal with the obstruction. However, as we know it was not unrelated and therefore remains part of the federal offence for which they did have the necessary powers.
 
It's really easy to now understand how the black shirts and the SS got away with what they did for so long - so many people supported them. We're just at the beginning. I wonder who'll save the world this time.

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The Blackshirts & SA: In the 1920s and 30s, these were "street-level" groups that used intimidation and violence to clear the way for their leaders. They weren't the official police initially, but they operated with the state's blessing to target "enemies" like labor unions and political rivals.

The SS: Originally a small personal bodyguard, the SS eventually became a "state within a state." They were professionalized, wore black uniforms, and bypassed traditional legal systems to carry out the regime's most radical policies (like the Holocaust).
 
I was surprised you didn’t try the “minor traffic offence” earlier. If it was unrelated to her intention to obstruct and interfere then it would be true that the Federal officers should have called local police to deal with the obstruction. However, as we know it was not unrelated and therefore remains part of the federal offence for which they did have the necessary powers.

You still haven't explained how somebody sitting in a car more than a hundred yards away could have been attempting to interfere with or obstruct the ICE operation.
 
There is so much political BS surrounding this it will be impossible for anyone to have any trust in the investigation. While we have our own problems, there is a basic level of conduct between politicians and I’m confident this could not happen here
 
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