ICE told to get the eff out

[Highway Man]

Why should she?

For god sake. She was ordered to and the ICE agents can do that and have the authority to give these orders.

 

[motorbiking]

Irrelevant. Like these, read and weep.

it is irrelevant.

 

[noseall]

For god sake. She was ordered to and the ICE agents can do that and have the authority to give these orders.

Irrelevant. She had every right to remain in her vehicle.

 

[motorbiking]

I've been trying to work out the point you are raising. Is this about law enforcement putting themselves in danger. And whether it is still legal to use deadly force.

what's your opinion of the circumstances - forget the legal arguments.

 

[motorbiking]

Irrelevant. She had every right to remain in her vehicle.

She had no such right.

 

[Highway Man]

Irrelevant. She had every right to remain in her vehicle.

Not when she was told to get out of her car. What possible valid reason made her to drive off?

 

[noseall]

it is irrelevant.

I see you are getting the hang of it. Those convictions do show however that the police can’t fire into cars and kill people just because they think the occupant is an effing bich

 

[MNW67]

All the research.. come on, surely that sounds daft when you read it back.

I know you like a bit of AI. why not ask "how long does an officer take to decide to shoot"

HWM has already posted information that shows you are wrong.

In critical, high-stress situations, police officers often make the decision to use deadly force in
less than one second to two seconds. Research suggests that the average decision time to shoot in complex scenarios is roughly 0.5 to 0.9 seconds, while the total time from perceiving a threat to reacting and shooting can be under 1.5 seconds.

• Physical Limitations: Even after the brain decides to stop shooting, it takes an average of 0.29 to 0.36 seconds for the body to physically stop pulling the trigger, often resulting in additional rounds being fired.

This is not an objective assessment.

You don't know the background. It looks like this research was commissioned by a police support group to try to overturn the results of the previous research done a decade before. But it seems they didn't like the results. That is because the results showed that even untrained civilians could assess a danger had ended and stop firing within 0.35 seconds. The human brain is amazing. So, they basically trashed their own results. They end up claiming that the research, which they themselves had commissioned, is meaningless. Anyway, that is my understanding, from reading their report, of how it came about. Anyone is free to look to check if I am right.

 

[noseall]

Not when she was told to get out of her car. What possible valid reason made her to drive off?

They had no reason to.

 

[noseall]

Not when she was told to get out of her car. What possible valid reason made her to drive off?

She needs no reason to drive her car.

 

[noseall]

She had no such right.

Don’t be silly. Her rights were the same right up to the moment she was murdered

 

[Highway Man]

She needs no reason to drive her car.

She would have had to have a very good reason to ignore the command and then to drive off.

 

[MNW67]

what's your opinion of the circumstances - forget the legal arguments.

It's not clear yet. I think possibly he was walking across the front of the car to join his colleagues on the other side, but was caught out by Renee setting off sooner than he expected. Becca suddenly tells Renee to drive. I don't think anyone was expecting that.

 

[noseall]

She would have had to have a very good reason to ignore the command and then to drive off.

Yes like innocence and the US constitution.

 

[Highway Man]

Plenty of people think they can sit in their cars and ignore the police telling them to open their doors and get out. It never ends well for them. A dog handler would put their window in and send in a dog to get them out.