In 2022 You Could Not Make This UP - Left Dead For 28+ Months In Flat

[JP_]

Yeah, as soon as somebody reports a bad smell and no signs of life, that should really be time to knock the door down and investigate.
Strange though - what would happen if instead of calling the landlord, you called 999 to report a possible death at a property? Surely they would send an ambulance and fire crew out? Or is that not considered an emergency?

 

[The Samaritan]

Yeah, as soon as somebody reports a bad smell and no signs of life, that should really be time to knock the door down and investigate.
Strange though - what would happen if instead of calling the landlord, you called 999 to report a possible death at a property? Surely they would send an ambulance and fire crew out? Or is that not considered an emergency?

cant recall but the police had been out before or HA had and no response at the door so they went away - if i got it wrong i stand corrected

 

[JP_]

cant recall but the police had been out before or HA had and no response at the door so they went away - if i got it wrong i stand corrected

Yeah, I read that, no response. Seems a bit daft though.

"Officer, I think the resident might be dead - they are making no sound, and they smell dead."

"Well, we rang the bell, and no answer, so we'll assume they are OK".

WTF? Madness.

 

[JP_]

IMO there should be education based on 'common sense.'

In my experience, it is often more educated people that show more common sense. Many people think they have common sense, but then fail to solve simple problems when things don't work out as they did previously. And you don't need much of an educated these days to work as a police officer.

 

[Ihavenojob]

In my experience, it is often more educated people that show more common sense. Many people think they have common sense, but then fail to solve simple problems when things don't work out as they did previously. And you don't need much of an educated these days to work as a police officer.

Do they still "stream" kids in school, i.e. the brainier go in the A stream, and not so bright in the B or C stream?. It seems they are now taught to the lowest common denominator, need to knock that on the head and sort the wheat from the chaff. Though not being academically gifted doesn't mean you are a write off, lots of people who are self made probably say they have no qualifications. As for joining the Police, I am sure they have to know a fair bit about laws, and common sense is a bit of a misnomer, as it isn't that common nowadays.

 

[JP_]

Do they still "stream" kids in school, i.e. the brainier go in the A stream, and not so bright in the B or C stream?

Yes.

seems they are now taught to the lowest common denominator, need to knock that on the head and sort the wheat from the chaff.

No, they don't do that.

Lots of streaming in schools.

 

[JP_]

There's more than one way to receive an education, not all involve reading and writing. Resourceful people tend to have learned to be resourceful, often from equally resourceful parents. Stupid people tend to raise stupid people. Sometimes somebody breaks the trend without external teaching, but not often.

People that say common sense trumps education ignore the fact that this is often not the case. We only hear about the times when "common sense" leads to a positive outcome, the rest of the time we just laugh about it and issue Darwin Awards.

Common sense is a fallacy that is used by the anti-science, pro-creationists and similar groups to claim that experts should be silenced and their own views heard only.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/...1107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense

 

[The Samaritan]

Update.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...n-woman-lay-dead-London-flat-three-years.html

 

[Vinty]

These tragic events are becoming more common as more people live on their own.
Also people these days pay their bills by direct debit, pensions and other benefits are paid directly into banks ect., so there is no need to go the post office every week to collect your pension or if you have a bill to pay.
Human contact is reduced to the point where it is possible to go weeks without actually talking to anyone.

 

[The Samaritan]

These tragic events are becoming more common as more people live on their own.
Also people these days pay their bills by direct debit, pensions and other benefits are paid directly into banks ect., so there is no need to go the post office every week to collect your pension or if you have a bill to pay.
Human contact is reduced to the point where it is possible to go weeks without actually talking to anyone.

Very true and was happening when I left soc services.
However, the story in the OP is different as people did report their concerns several times over 28 months so IMO serious failings somewhere along the line.

 

[Vinty]

This film is about the true story of a young woman who was dead in her London flat for 3 years before being discovered.

Dreams of a Life [DVD]: Amazon.co.uk: Zawe Ashton, Carol Morley, Zawe Ashton: DVD & Blu-ray

I remember that case because the woman whi died had the same surname as myself and due to the fact my brother died in similar circumstances.

In my brothers case he was dead for around 6 weeks before being found.
Some people isolate themselves and it becomes very difficult to help them.
My brother lived with my father in a 3 bedroom council house, when my father died, the brother had to leave the house and was given a one bedroom flat in a tower block, he didn't tell anyone his new address and the council wouldn't give me his address without his permission.
I eventually found out where he lived and went to see him but he wouldn't open the door, i had to put a note through his letter box telling him we had to discuss my fathers estate so he eventually let me in.
He was addicted to pain killers for a medical condition, i gave him a mobile phone to contact me if he needed help, as far as i know he never ever used the phone.
That was the last the time i saw him alive, i knew by talking to him that he just couldn't be helped, i called him on the phone a few times but he never answered, when i knocked on his door i could hear him moving around inside but he wouldn't answer the door, so i went to his doctor and explained the situation and asked could he get him sectioned, the doctor said there was nothing he could do as not wanting to talk to your family is not classified as a mental illness, if it was, mental institutions would overflowing.
I asked a policeman for advice, he said much the same thing as the doctor.
My sister lived about 20 minutes walk from where he lived but she said she wouldn't go anywhere near him as he was verbally abusive the last time they met.
So in the end i thought to myself, f**k it, if he doesn't want help there nothing i can do, although i knew it wasn't going to end well.