Insulated Piercing Connector

[pgtips]

Hi,

I am working in a flat at the moment and there's a redundant circuit in there, the old Economy 10 (or 7) The storage heaters are long gone, sockets left in the place of the wall connection box.
It makes sense to enable these for daily use and the wires for each (red at top of pic) were identified by the guy who did whatever EOn needed to do to the meter. He suggested to join them.

If you know the economy setup it means the circuits are dead until say 12 midnight, until 6 or 7 am which is not practical so we'd like to make them 'normal' i.e live all the time.

110% don't want to 'uninstall' or lose this , 'on/off on/off' EPC regulations may mean reactivating it in the future.

My Q: Is it ok to join these 2 branches using an Insulated Piercing Connector. It seems logical but better to check.

This is the IPC for 10mm

thank you in advance
PG

 

[Murdochcat]

Those connectors are not advised under guidance regulations

 

[pete01]

Your plan seems iffy to me I wouldn't do it.


Could you not feed the economy 7 consumer unit from the standard consumer unit, and remove the off peek feed

 

[SUNRAY]

Fit another Henley block, excuse the scrappy attempt but it gives the idea:

Those insulation piercing taps have already been causing problems for EV charging where the sling it in and piddle off quickly brigade seem to think they are suitable.

Oh and Im surprised you had night storage heating on a 60A main fuse.

 

[Rodders53]

Another Henley block fed from the peak side switch and both red tails into that (as already done for the Neutrals) would be one way.

Anyone know if the OP was to go on to a single rate tariff would both both tails from the meter be made live 24/7 automatically??? No wiring changes needed then?

 

[flameport]

My Q: Is it ok to join these 2 branches using an Insulated Piercing Connector. It seems logical but better to check.

No, as those connectors are completely inappropriate for that application.

 

[ericmark]

All you show has anti-tamper seals, so you can't touch, likely there is something which can be done, but not where the picture shows.

 

[Robin0577]

All you show has anti-tamper seals, so you can't touch, likely there is something which can be done, but not where the picture shows.

Not so sure about that, I think the isolator has a split casing, and the consumer side can be opened without disturbing the seal on the supply side.

 

[SUNRAY]

All you show has anti-tamper seals, so you can't touch, likely there is something which can be done, but not where the picture shows.

The anti tamper seals on the Neutral Henley block should not have been placed there by the DNO/meter fitter as it is on the customers property .

Even the seal on the isolator is on the customer side of the meter.

As Eric correctly points out seals should not be broken they are there for safety reasons as much as anything else.

However removing the red tails from the isolator and adding a short link to a new Henley block will not disturb any existing seals.

I must stress this is the main supply and any work performed must be by competent persons after turning off that main isolator and proving the wiring is dead.

 

[pgtips]

Thank you to all replies, Henley block ordered.
I was concerned about the seals but I think I can work around without disturbing.

Thank you again, I really do appreciate the help.
Pg

 

[ericmark]

The anti tamper seals on the Neutral Henley block should not have been placed there by the DNO/meter fitter as it is on the customers property and may be removed with impunity.

This may be the case here, but to tell people they can remove anti tamper seals can so easy result in ones which should not be removed being removed in error, so I would never tell anyone over a forum to remove them.

 

[SUNRAY]

Thanks amended (unable to send you PM)

 

[morqthana]

'on/off on/off' EPC regulations may mean reactivating it in the future.

 

[morqthana]

As Eric correctly points out seals should not be broken they are there for safety reasons as much as anything else.

So is the thinking that without the seals somebody might accidentally remove the covers on the isolator?

 

[SUNRAY]

So is the thinking that without the seals somebody might accidentally remove the covers on the isolator?

I have known it where someone removed the whole cover so: Yes possibly.