Is there anything like this?

[wreck-it-steve]

I have some large downlights that need replacing in my kitchen and I want to put some modern 12v fire rated ones in. The hole is large and im looking for a plate that will allow me to slot some standard ones in.

So far i can only find this: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LTHCPC.html

Is there anything like this for "any" type of fitting and not just for the LED fitting above?

Thanks

 

[ban-all-sheds]

1) If you replace large diameter lights with small ones you'll likely be disappointed with how they light the room.

2) There's nothing "modern" about 12V lights.

3) Unless you live in a flat you almost certainly don't need fire rated lights.

4) Make the holes bigger and install something like this:

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

stevo66,
the conversation kits that you have linked "converts a traditional “old” type light fittings to LED type".
Failing in using these, what about the old fashioned method of filling holes in and re-holing?

 

[wreck-it-steve]

3) Unless you live in a flat you almost certainly don't need fire rated lights.

My kitchen is in the cellar of a 3 story house, I was under the impression that where ever there is another room above or means of escape (front door is above my kitchen) then fire rated down lights are required.

I was looking in to fitting fire hoods to my existing GU10 fittings (convertor fitting made by Bell Lighting) but I cant for the life in me see how they stay in place.

 

[RF Lighting]

Unless the ceiling has been constructed as a deliberate fire barrier then fire rated fittings are not required.

You know that big naff off hole in your ceiling where the stairs go from downstairs to upstairs? Fire and smoke is going to get through that much quicker than a small hole filled with glass and metal where your light is.

 

[wreck-it-steve]

Unless the ceiling has been constructed as a deliberate fire barrier then fire rated fittings are not required.

You know that big naff off hole in your ceiling where the stairs go from downstairs to upstairs? Fire and smoke is going to get through that much quicker than a small hole filled with glass and metal where your light is.

I totally agree but is this just your opinion or is it a building regulation / electrical regulation fact?

 

[RF Lighting]

The building regulations require that if you penetrate a fire barrier then you must reinstate it to the same rating is was before the penetration. This is why fire rated fittings were introduced.

If your ceiling is not fire rated what would be the point of fitting fire rated fittings?

The electrical regs do not have anything to say on the matter.

 

[wreck-it-steve]

The building regulations require that if you penetrate a fire barrier then you must reinstate it to the same rating is was before the penetration. This is why fire rated fittings were introduced.

If your ceiling is not fire rated what would be the point of fitting fire rated fittings?

The electrical regs do not have anything to say on the matter.

Ahh I see, that makes perfect sense. I suppose a fire rated fitting in a none fire rated ceiling that has insulation in it would have some benefit though?

 

[RF Lighting]

Not really.

There used to be a link in the wiki to an article that showed a study into the fire performance of standard downlighters in a ceiling, and they contained the fire for as long as the ceiling did, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

If you want to fit fire rated fittings then feel free to do so. It's not going to be unsafe or anything. But it's also going to achieve noting, apart from limiting your choice of lamps and costing you more money of course.

 

[phatboy]

Is part of the issue here that the light could cause a fire, so fitting a fire rated hat to it would prevent the fire spreading upwards?

 

[Chri5]

Daft thing being that a fire fitting in a conversion ring wouldn't be fire safe anyway.

Most fire rated fittings have a intumescent seal, that on heat seals between plaster and fitting. The conversion ring doesn't have any seal.

 

[RF Lighting]

Is part of the issue here that the light could cause a fire, so fitting a fire rated hat to it would prevent the fire spreading upwards?

No. Fire rated fittings / fire hoods will not prevent wrongly installed downlighters from causing a fire. All they will do is slow the passage of fire from one room to the next.

It would be like trying to use an airbag to prevent a car crash.