Islamonazism the real danger ?

Do not accept yourself as the glory in your knowledge of the National
Socialism and may I draw your attention to the links and contents
which I put up for discussion which you have decided not to answer
other than with unsubstanciated remarks.

Excuse me, I never said any such thing, I simply advised you to learn a little more about National Socialism before bandying the term about.

All to often today people like to use the term Nazi or Nazism without fully understanding the implications, there was far more to National Socialism than simply Genocide and oppression of the Minorities.

One major difference is this, Islam does not actually discriminate, unless you are not a devout follower. Nazism actually tolerated, although mistrusted, those who were not members of the party, which was the majority of Germans. However Nazism actively discriminated against anyone who did not fit into a social ideal of what they considered was the "arian race", but especially Jews, Islamics, Blacks, Asians, Chinese bla bla ad nausium, however If you are a devout Muslim and follow the Qu'uran, then you are accepted within the Islamic faith as an equal, regardless of national or ethnic origins.

Of course any two dictatorship systems have simularities, comparisons could be made between Stlains Communism and Islam, or Nazi Germany, as there are simular beliefs and actions involved, however we need to remember that whilst Nazism had a cultural appeal due to economic circumstances, it was actually only a small proportion of Germans that actively supported the Party, with Islam this is not the case, there are 1.6 Billion Mulsims in the world, and the Majority do seem to support the more extreme views of Islam.

We need to be aware that Islamic Fundermentalism is actually a greater threat than Nazism or extreme communism ever was or could have been.
 
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Little known facts--the biggest killer of muslims is fellow muslims so how they claim to be at one i will never understand.

What has the muslim world got to offer the world---oil---and i am sorry but i cant for the life of me think of anything else that they substancially produce or export ( except terrorism ).

In the countries where they had natural resources they are destroying them, they arent industrial or commercial nations--so---?

This is not a racist rant but just on observation if any of you know other please enlighten.
 
Freddie said:
What has the muslim world got to offer the world.............


They may soon be able to export nuclear power, possibly in micro-second bursts :(
 
Freddie, just to take you up on the challenge of Muslim exports...

Timber,
Minerals,
Uranium,
Diamonds,
Gold,
Platinum,
Aluminium,
Copper,
Iron Ore,
Cobalt,
Berylium,
Arsenic,
Actinium,
Aircraft parts,
Computer Chips,
Silicon,
Silicon Products,

etc etc etc...

And all that from two predominantly Muslim states, Indonesia and The Phillipines...

But you are correct, the Middle East States only seem to contribute Oil, Terrorism and Rhetoric to the world as a whole.
 
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Then i stand corrected on the far south muslim states--by the way i though the phillipines were mainly catholic with some muslims, if they are mainly muslims then why did they used to eat dogs and cats which are supposed to be almost as bad as pig in the muslim world
 
Malaysia as well... an islamic country that was part of The Empire and uses proper plugs and sockets!

You will always get nutters. That fool holding up the "Islam will dominate the world" sign is obviously an idiot. His gesticulating reminds me of another breed of moron: the football hooligan. :eek:

Replace the word "Islam" with the name of a football team, and you would get a similar reaction from people who dislike that team. This guy obviously thinks that HIS team (islam) is the best, and thinks that everyone else must be wrong. But to the impartial observer, or simply one who does not let such matters bother him, it is simply a form of stupidity. If you saw 100 people walking down your street chanting "Milwall!", you would probably tut and think "w*nkers".

All you need is for these guys to be chanting "Islam! ISLAAAAM! ISLAM! ISLAAAAM!" to the tune of "Amazing Grace" in the way that many football fans do. :LOL:

Christian fundamentalists go on about the evils of premarital sex. They wander about with signs, shouting stuff, usually outside clinics (Julie, has this ever happened outside yours?) My view on sex before marriage is that it is great. And I am insulted that people lump "Christians" together on such issues: I regard myself as one but I'm well into it and there is no WAY I would agree with their views, and they don't speak for me. :LOL:
 
The difference is though Adam you dont get many football supporters blowing themselves up on the tube but then if Man Utd go down this year they may issue a holy war against Fergie.
 
AdamW said:
Malaysia as well... an islamic country that was part of The Empire and uses proper plugs and sockets!

You will always get nutters. That fool holding up the "Islam will dominate the world" sign is obviously an idiot. His gesticulating reminds me of another breed of moron: the football hooligan. :eek:

Replace the word "Islam" with the name of a football team, and you would get a similar reaction from people who dislike that team. This guy obviously thinks that HIS team (islam) is the best, and thinks that everyone else must be wrong. But to the impartial observer, or simply one who does not let such matters bother him, it is simply a form of stupidity. If you saw 100 people walking down your street chanting "Milwall!", you would probably tut and think "w*nkers".
All you need is for these guys to be chanting "Islam! ISLAAAAM! ISLAM! ISLAAAAM!" to the tune of "Amazing Grace" in the way that many football fans do. :LOL:

Christian fundamentalists go on about the evils of premarital sex. They wander about with signs, shouting stuff, usually outside clinics (Julie, has this ever happened outside yours?) My view on sex before marriage is that it is great. And I am insulted that people lump "Christians" together on such issues: I regard myself as one but I'm well into it and there is no WAY I would agree with their views, and they don't speak for me. :LOL:

Detailed below is a list of the terrorist attacks carried out in 2003, 2004
and to date in 2005 :

2003

May 12: Bombings of United States expat housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160 in the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Al-Qaeda blamed.
May 12: A truck bomb attack on a government building in the Chechen town of Znamenskoye kills 59.
May 14: As many as 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya.
May 16: Casablanca Attacks by 12 bombers on five "Western and Jewish" targets in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead and over 100 injured. Attack attributed to a Moroccan al-Qaeda-linked group.
July 5: 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.
August 1: An explosion at the Russian hospital in Mozdok in North Ossetia kills at least 50 people and injures 76.
August 19: Canal Hotel Bombing in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 22 people (including the top UN representative Sergio Vieira de Mello) and wounds over 100.
August 25: At least 48 people were killed and 150 injured in two blasts in south Mumbai - one near the Gateway of India at the other at the Zaveri Bazaar. Muslim fundalmenetalists to blame.
August 29: Car bomb outside Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf, Iraq, kills more than 80 people, including SCIRI leader Sayed Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim.
September 3: A bomb blast on a passenger train near Kislovodsk in southern Russia kills seven people and injures 90. .
November 15 and November 20: Truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 57 and wounding 700 in the 2003 Istanbul Bombings.
December 5: Suicide bombers kill at least 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia
December 9: A blast in the center of Moscow kills six people and wounds at least 11.
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2004
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February 1: 109 Kurds are killed in 2 suicide bombings in Arbil, Iraq.
February 6: Bomb on Moscow Metro kills 41.
February 27: Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.
March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura.
March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160.
March 9: Attack of Istanbul restaurant in Turkey.
March 11: Coordinated bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain, kills 191 people and injures more than 1,500.
April 21: Basra bombs in Iraq kill 74 and injure hundreds.
April 21: Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 5.
May 29: Al-Khobar massacres, in which Islamic militants kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.
August 24: Russian airplane bombings kill 90.
August 31: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills 10 people and injures 33.
September 1 – 3: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead.
September 9: Jakarta embassy bombing, in which the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing eight people.
October 7: Sinai bombings: Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 34 and wounding 171, many of them Israeli and other foreign tourists.
December 6: Suspected al Qaeda-linked group attacks U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 5 local employees.
December 12: A bombing at the Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines, kills 15.
2005
February 14: A car bomb kills former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri and 20 others in Beirut.
February 28: About 125 Iraqis killed by a suicide car bomb outside a medical centre in Hilla, south of Baghdad.
March 19: Car bomb attack on theatre in Doha, Qatar, kills one Briton and wounds 12 others.
April: April 2005 terrorist attacks in Cairo – On April 7 a suicide bomber blows himself up in Cairo's Khan al Khalili market, killing three foreign tourists and wounding 17 others. In two further attacks on 30 April, suspected accomplices detonate a bomb and spray a tourist coach with gunfire.
June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 20 people.
June 12: Bombs explode in the Iranian cities of Ahvaz and Tehran, leaving 10 dead and 80 wounded days before the Iranian presidential election.
Coordinated terrorist attack in LondonJuly 7: 7 July 2005 London bombings - Attacks on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 55+ people and injuring over 700, occur on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference. The attacks are believed by many to be the first suicide bombings in Western Europe.
July 16: A suicide bomber blows up an oil tanker in the predominantly Shiite town of Musayyib in Iraq, killing 98 people.
July 21: 21 July 2005 London bombings - Small explosions in 3 London Underground stations and 1 double-decker bus. This was pronounced as a "major incident" rather than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported. These 4 bombs were designed to cause as much damage at the 7 July 2005 London bombings but the explosive had deteriorated and failed to detonate.
July 23:Sharm el-Sheikh bombings: Car bombs explode at tourist sites in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, killing at least 88 and wounding more than 100.

I have only mentioned a few of the NOTABLE attacks in the Iraq situation as the terrorist attacks and casualties are numerous.

I note that there is not one 'Football Hooligan' or ' Christian fundamentalist' as the perpetrators of these attacks .

What is the famous saying, ' All Muslims are NOT terrorists but ALL
terrorists are Muslim.'

These are the issues that effect us today and in our daily life.
 
AdamW
"the football hooligan!!"
Great post



" and uses proper plugs and sockets! "

lol....


FWL_Engineer (Hello Dave ! from the League of Gents)

I applaud your posts on the real meaning of National Socialism



slogger
If you post anti muslim comments here dont get upset when you're dragged into the fray.....I support your free speach but dont get touchy when you dont like it.... ;)
 
rederech said:
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Detailed below is a list of the terrorist attacks carried out in 2003, 2004
and to date in 2005 :

Taken from?

A few facts to note: the terrorist attacks in the CIS you list have all been Chechnyan rebels. Their beef is over the devolution of Chechnya after the break-up of the USSR, it is a nationalist fight not a theological dispute. People are quick to dismiss the catholic/protestant division in the Irish situation as incidental to the national views of each group!

Talking of Ireland, why does your list not include the IRA bankjob (against the people of Great Britain, 99% of us here) or the Robert McCartney murder? Or the IRA offer to then murder the murderers (making this effectively a suicide attack)

And where are the references to ETA activities? The Basque Separatists in Spain? Madrid was of course hit by Al Qaeda-related bombing, but like the UK that isn't their only terrorist threat.

Oh, and of course we all remember the Tokyo Sarin attacks... yet Aum Shinrikyo make no appearance on your list.

And whilst we are talking about Japan, whatabout the Japanese Red Army? This is an anti-imperialist, pseudo-communist terrorist faction, whose cause is the liberation of Palestine.

Global terrorism doesn't just happen in English-speaking Western countries but is a GLOBAL phenomenon. We only really see the news that applies directly to us. It's interesting when you go abroad just how little really important news you see (important to a Brit anyway) instead being told the most meaningless drivel.

Now, these are just a few terrorist groups I can think of off the top of my head, there are no doubt countless more. My point is that everywhere you go where people are pi**ed off, you will find terrorists.
 
JulieL said:
Perhaps by allowing these extremists to speak - shows them in their true light and doesn't help their 'cause' at all :)
I guess you have no sense of irony either....
 
Adam again i have to say he does have a very valid point and his saying about muslim terrorists was actually the words of a muslim, an Egyption i think.

But on your IRA bit---the Mcartney murder was not terrorist related even though he was murdered by IRA terrorists--it was a feaud between his family and those members, Mccartney i believe lived in the same road as one of them and he was also catholic living in a republican area
 
AdamW said:
rederech said:
[
Detailed below is a list of the terrorist attacks carried out in 2003, 2004
and to date in 2005 :

Taken from?

This is factual information available to anyone.

A few facts to note: the terrorist attacks in the CIS you list have all been Chechnyan rebels. Their beef is over the devolution of Chechnya after the break-up of the USSR, it is a nationalist fight not a theological dispute. People are quick to dismiss the catholic/protestant division in the Irish situation as incidental to the national views of each group!



THE links between Chechen rebels and Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda go back to the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist-training camps of Afghanistan.

When bin Laden was thrown out of Sudan in 1998 and de-camped to Afghanistan, the Chechen exiles soon followed. Hundreds of Chechen fighters were given refuge in the al-Qaeda camps, undergoing military training and Islamic indoctrination.


Link : http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1&id=1041302004




Although it is apparent that I am being directed away from my original
post and making the waters murky, I will however answer your other comments.

The situation in Ireland and the others you mention are domestic
matters that do not threaten world peace. All countries in the world
have issues with their populace but nothing as extreme as the
global threat of terrorism to that of the fundalmental followers of Islam
advocate.

We go back to the old question do we wish the democratic state to govern us or religion.

Cheers.
 
Freddie
Regarding the Mccartney murder ......
Good riddance to bad rubbish , the Guardian,had reports leaked


(From the IRA ....LOl so much for not being a tout !!LOL as he was an embarrasment,they gave a wealth of his "terrorist Activites ",now forgive me but The Ira always claimed they were freedom Fighters for a Free Ireland , but they BRAND one of their best shooters a TERRORIST ..LOL )


that the dead fellow was a shooter for a 3 man Pira Team in the 80s on army patrols in Armagh /Bandit country ,,

THAT IS WHY THE FAMILIES CAMPAIGN FOR JUSTICE DIED OVER NIGHT
 
I see Moz that wasnt reported here but thats nothing new.
 
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