Kitchen light suggestions

[ I presume you mean Sunray? ]
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Thanks - but two of those 6 ft twins would surely be way OTT, wouldn't it? They would add up to 130 W and 15,600 lumens, which sounds an awful lot for a room which is currently 'reasonably adequately illuminated' with 17 W and 2,300 lumens :-)
Be it a garage or kitchen, I like workspaces to be very brightly lit. Then there's less chance of an accident. Cutting yourself, etc...
My current thought is to go with two 4ft or 5ft singles - in-line down the middle. That would still be a fair bit in comparison with 17W/2,300 lumens (44 w, 5,200 lumens for 2 x 4ft, 60 W, 7,200 lumens for 2 x 5ft), but seemingly more sensible than two 6 ft ones?
As mentioned, I would rather over-engineer the lumen calculation for such a room and have the room brighter.
 
I've a lowish wattage light on a pir towards the side where kettle and sink are

This is perfect for all the times people are in and out making a cup of tea or similar

Another brighter main light then for actual working in the kitchen
Darn good idea, not that I need them now, as lights are on voice control, I found going into any room, turning the main light on, and then lights near something we are working with be it under counter lights, up-lighters, cabinet display lights, it does not matter. But when one leaves a room and turns off the main light, to then have to go around the room turning off all the various lights, that annoys me.

Also, we feed cats in the kitchen, I am sure they can see food in the dark, but it seems wrong to turn off lights when they are eating.
That might have made some sense for the cost-conscious in the days of old. However, the running cost of LEDs are so trivial that I'm not sure it is any longer particularly relevant/necessary.
Not sure running costs have changed that much. Old house kitchen had two fluorescent lamps, arranged as a T on the ceiling, one 65 watt (latter 58 watt) the other shorter, can't remember wattage. Son bought the house where the 65 watt lamp was, there are now down lights, around 14, x likely 4 watt = 56 watts, so really very little change.

This living room, single 150 watt pendent lamp to one side of the room, not a clue why not central, I replaced with an 8 bulb chandelier with 6 watt bulbs, as a 12 watt LED looked more like a tocH candle. So still 48 watt, and we also have cabinet lights 54 watt in total although normally used dimmed, and pedestal lights both down and up light types, one up-lighter has a bulb with wings, rated 36 watts LED.

So as I look around the house, we have a lot more light, to the original, likely due to our presbyterian eyes, as we get older we seem to need more light.

Bedroom in old house, three gang two-way switch at door, a two gang intermediate one side of bed, and two gang two-way other side of bed, With centre light, and two bedside GU10 reading lamps, and I was proud of the set-up.

Wife moved into dinning room as bedroom after an operation, as could not climb the stairs, and I fitted a smart switch and magnetic button for lights, abandoned the button and re-used as a bell push, as she used voice commands with the Nest Mini speaker (Similar to Alexa).

The problem is remembering names given. I can turn on just the light for the sink, or whole kitchen, but I look at back-ground power use, and it is creeping up.

Now 356 watts, evening seems to go to around 550 watts, how much is freezers and fridges, how much it lights, how much is fans, how much is stand-by, how much TV, not a clue.

When the solar panels are producing 500 watt even at 8 am, why should I worry? The evening is the biggest drain, but this time of year still have 50% battery left when off-peak starts.

But Winter when lights used more, yes I do run out of battery, and so our first yearly total with feed in payments was around £300 for the year, so not net-zero, electric still costs. Although not much.

I have seen 39 kWh in a day, but by time one runs the AC as so darn hot, consumption up to 15.4 kWh, so yes we still turn off lights when we leave a room. And outside lights no longer on PIR control, mainly as they would switch off at inappropriate moments. Getting old, I don't move fast enough.

But last house, we had display cabinet lights, don't think ever used, looked good, but we just would not get around to switching them on.

Even this house, counter top lights are colour changing, why, I always use them set to white. Used really as the Lidi strip light was wipe clean, not because the colours changed.

The only light we really need to dim, is the outside light, as if too bright, the cars reversing camera and lights don't work as well. It is about the only light we really want colour changing, we set it to green at Halloween to show we have sweets for the kids.
 
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Be it a garage or kitchen, I like workspaces to be very brightly lit. Then there's less chance of an accident. Cutting yourself, etc...

As mentioned, I would rather over-engineer the lumen calculation for such a room and have the room brighter.
You could perform brain surgery in kitchen with your suggested lighting :giggle:
 
Neither, but what does that matter - do customers and house-owners (who are presumably also customers at times) require different levels of lighting?

If it’s for a customer then I’d discuss the pros and cons of different solutions.

And under cupboard lighting always gets a mention, as would a pendent type light if there is a peninsula or island
 
Very good point above discuss options and see what they think
I wasn’t clear on this, mostly as I don’t read threads :giggle:

Was it his own place or someone else’s
 
Sorry, I was a little confused. When you wrote "the second option rocky posted" I though you were referring to the ones posted relatively recently (in post #24) by Sunray, but I now see that you are presumably referring to what rocky posted way back in post #7.

"Rocky's (actual!) 'second' one is a 45W 5' double which claims 4,790 lumens - so a pair of those would be 90 W/9,580 lumens - that's significantly less than flameportt/Sunray's (130 W/15,600 lumens) but still an awful lot of Watts and lumens (given that 17 W 2.300 lumens results in reasonable lighting!)
Be it a garage or kitchen, I like workspaces to be very brightly lit. Then there's less chance of an accident. Cutting yourself, etc...
Lighting which is 'too bright' can also result in accidents, and can be unpleasant. My view is that a 'happy medium' is required.
As mentioned, I would rather over-engineer the lumen calculation for such a room and have the room brighter.
Fair enough. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it really does sound like a lot go me. Forget the lumens if you like and just look at the Watts. I have a good few (reasonable size) rooms in my house which are satisfactorily lit (at least to my satisfaction!) with a single 12W LED pendant. To have a total of 90 W or 130 W of LEDs in one room would be equivalent to having between 7.5 and 11 such pendants dangling from the ceiling!

I ideally need too try to find a way to 'view' some of the scenarios we are discussing!
 
If it’s for a customer then I’d discuss the pros and cons of different solutions.
As I said, it's not for 'a customer'.

The person with whom there should be "discussion about the pros and cons of different solutions" is the person who is going to have to decide between those different solutions. In this case, that person is me, which is why I have asked for advice about the various options.
And under cupboard lighting always gets a mention, as would a pendent type light if there is a peninsula or island
As I've already said, few if any wall cupboards and almost certainly no peninsular or island.
Downlighters also very often "get a mention", but you will note that I have not mentioned them :-)
 
Very good point above discuss options and see what they think
I am the relevant "they", which is why I have asked people to "discuss options" with me!
I wasn’t clear on this, mostly as I don’t read threads :giggle:
That can be a little irritating to others, since it often means that they have to repeat things they've previously written, just because you can't be bothered to read for yourself. Also, if one contributes to a thread without reading it all, it's often possible to get hold of the totally wrong ends of all sorts of sticks :-)
Was it his own place or someone else’s
I own it.
 

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