Labour thug jailed.

[blup]

What is the point of a referendum if you are planning to ignore the results? Referendums are probably the most democratic processes we have. No party politics and a simple vote.

Leave the U.K., leave the EU. Remove local councils…. Oh wait nobody asked us about that.

Local councils are a creation of parliament, no referendum needed, plus it was in the manifesto.

 

[blup]

I don't know what point you are making, here. We have just been discussing what form the British Constitution takes. It is a totally non-partisan issue.

Not if its ignored on the most important political and economic decision this century

 

[MNW67]

Not if its ignored on the most important political and economic decision this century

We can still discuss it in a non-partisan way.

 

[blup]

Although, there is an interesting corollary with what Trump is doing in the USA. Obviously, they have a written constitution but, in spite of that, they still can't agree which powers are for the President and which are for Congress.

I think the rational players, political and legal, are clear, it's Trumpf who is tearing it up. Thankfully his SC appointees seem prepared to hold the Constitutional line, so he'll probably need the Pride Boys

 

[blup]

We can still discuss it in a non-partisan way.

GD posts by their nature become partisan

 

[MNW67]

GD posts by their nature become partisan

This is hopeless and pointless.

 

[Notch7]

What is the point of a referendum if you are planning to ignore the results? Referendums are probably the most democratic processes we have. No party politics and a simple vote

There is nothing democratic about lying to the public.

 

[MNW67]

I think the rational players, political and legal, are clear, it's Trumpf who is tearing it up. Thankfully his SC appointees seem prepared to hold the Constitutional line, so he'll probably need the Pride Boys

Just as in the Article 50 case, the rational players were clear that the government were tearing up our (unwritten) constitution.

 

[motorbiking]

Just as in the Article 50 case, the rational players were clear that the government were tearing up our (unwritten) constitution.

Amending or defining would be another way of saying it.

Most of the original rights have been amended.

 

[Odds]

This is hopeless and pointless.

"you must be new here."

 

[Notch7]

Although, there is an interesting corollary with what Trump is doing in the USA. Obviously, they have a written constitution but, in spite of that, they still can't agree which powers are for the President and which are for Congress.

Trump is doing his best to make the executive the ultimate power above the judiciary…..which to some extent already have done because the Supreme Court is political….and currently stuffed with Republicans

The Boris Johnson Conservative govt tried doing the same when he prorogued parliament and subsequently tried removing judicial review.


Separation of powers is vital to democracy, it should work so that the executive proposes laws, parliament vote on it without fear or favour then the executive obeys the laws of the land as they exist.

Populists like Trump and Johnson try all they can to break government…what is happening in America is dangerous

 

[blup]

Amending or defining would be another way of saying it.

The executive (government) can't amend an Act of Parliament. The legislation setting up the referendum did not say the result would be automatically implemented. It was a consultation only.

Most of the original rights have been amended.

Irrelevant unless its done by Parliament.

 

[Notch7]

I think the rational players, political and legal, are clear, it's Trumpf who is tearing it up. Thankfully his SC appointees seem prepared to hold the Constitutional line, so he'll probably need the Pride Boys

Trumps power is his voting base…..if people’s lives are made demonstrably worse his support will dwindle and his power will go too because Republican leaders will turn against him.

Trump will try really hard to make the economy red hot so he can get a short term boost but will it cut through to the public

 

[Notch7]

The executive (government) can't amend an Act of Parliament

Parliament has to vote it through….so with a big majority the executive have a lot of leverage to,push through legislation although we do have the Lords who can reject stuff.

 

[Mottie]

There is nothing democratic about lying to the public.

Says the confirmed forum liar!