Licence to woke

[AngleEyes]

not angry at all and not english either just pointing out how much of the basics your getting wrong

You pointed out one misquote I made, and Mottie has just pointed out all the bits I got right.

 

[gas112]

You pointed out one misquote I made, and Mottie has just pointed out all the bits I got right.

are you missing the fact you keep saying he is English

 

[AngleEyes]

He just takes sections of posts out of context and makes what ever he likes of them.

In one sense, it's the only way to treat your comments, because most of them are gobbledygook.

 

[AngleEyes]

are you missing the fact you keep saying he is English

I keep saying he is quintessentially English. Do you need the definition of 'quintessentially' again?

 

[gas112]

I keep saying he is quintessentially English. Do you need the definition of 'quintessentially' again?

Cant see any nationality in the definition of quintessential its you who keeps adding English which is quite funny as most of your video clip was a Scots man with a Scottish accent

 

[AngleEyes]

Cant see any nationality in the definition of quintessential its you who keeps adding English which is quite funny as most of your video clip was a Scots man with a Scottish accent

Until you understand the definition of 'quintessentially', we'll get nowhere.
That was Mottie's presentation of the film version of some of James Bond's misogynistic behaviour.
If you read the books you'll get the quintessentially 'English' character of James Bond.

Those clips didn't show the James Bond saying to his black colleague, "fetch my shoes", while he walks off arm-in-arm with a woman.

 

[Mottie]

Reminds me of an old, non-pc 'joke'.
What did James Bond say to the woman with two black eyes?

Nothing - he'd told her twice already!

I'm outta here................

 

[ajohn]

You sound quite angry that your fantastical impression of such a fictional character has been debunked.

No one is angry. They just think you are a twit relating a fictional character with the realities of life. It implies that you think they have had some effect on the reality of life and influence people generally.

What interested me on this thread is the quotes you popped up. You either know where to go to find them, collect them or maybe even involved in collecting them. A bit of a public nuisance really if any of those apply. Highlighting things like this do zero in terms of ending problems that they portray.

Make me wonder what you think of Rider Haggard.

Think I will add Wilber Smith too.

 

[IT Minion]

Reminds me of an old, non-pc 'joke'.
What did James Bond say to the woman with two black eyes?

Nothing - he'd told her twice already!

I'm outta here................

The original Bond, as written, was a rather nasty piece of work. They captured some of that in Casino Royale, but it's hard to keep your franchise rolling if your hero is too much of a sociopath.

Bond has changed with the times, he will change further.

 

[AngleEyes]

No one is angry. They just think you are a twit relating a fictional character with the realities of life.

I suggest you direct your comments to the ones who were worshipping the fictional quintessential English character, who have become disillusioned since it's been pointed out to them that that character was a racist, homophobic, women-beating misogynist, created by an author of the same ilk.

Art imitates life.

If they're not angry why so much abuse directed at me for pointing out the true character of their hero? There is no other explanation for their anger.

It implies that you think they have had some effect on the reality of life and influence people generally.

When some misguided people adopt fictional characters as their heroes, it does suggest that fiction supports their bigotry. Bigotry relies on urban mythology, which is the creation and retelling of fiction, to thrive and develop.

What interested me on this thread is the quotes you popped up.

Any in particular?

You either know where to go to find them, collect them or maybe even involved in collecting them.

Sssshhh, don't tell anyone about the internet. Just keep it between you and me, eh?

A bit of a public nuisance really if any of those apply.

Public nuisance? You think it's a public nuisance to burst the bubble of those who hero worship a quintessential English racist, homophobic, women-beating misogynist?
Why don't you tell the internet that they're a public nuisance?

Highlighting things like this do zero in terms of ending problems that they portray.

What, didn't you do English literature at your school? You know, when you discuss the literary merits of various books, etc?
How fictional works mirror the typical language and culture of the times, etc? Whether the books should be censored or allowed in modern society, etc?

Make me wonder what you think of Rider Haggard.
Think I will add Wilber Smith too.

I'm happy to discuss these if you want. I am familiar with both of them. I'll leave it to you to start the thread. But I suggest you check your spelling of their names.
How about we compare and contrast the writings of Wilbur Smith with Bryce Courtenay?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I fully expect the new Bond will be a none smoking, none drinking, gay black actor, who is confined permanently to a wheelchair..

We're live in bizarre times, where delicate snowflakes and wokesters are pandered to. Watched the latest Hatton Garden robbery film two nights ago. At the beginning there was an on-screen warning that the film contained "scenes of smoking, drinking and violence". FFS!! How delicate are these precious little flowers these days that they need to be warned in case someone sparks up a Benson to go with their lager shandy? Those three things used to be available in half the pubs on a Friday night. Never did us any harm!

Our ancestors must be spinning in their graves, especially the ones who had to endure real trauma, eg. in the trenches.

 

[AngleEyes]

Never did us any harm!

It entrenched your ideology, which in turn harms society.

 

[wobs]

Sorry, my bad lifting of quotes:

It’s the fact that, aside from one or two characters, every Black person in Live And Let Die was on the side of evil.
https://www.themarysue.com/bond-girl-live-and-let-die/
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Reminds me of The Wolverine, where he goes to Japan. Bascially, if you're a Japanese male in that film, you're evil.

 

[AngleEyes]

Reminds me of The Wolverine, where he goes to Japan. Bascially, if you're a Japanese male in that film, you're evil.

There are many unsavoury racial stereotyping in Bond films (and other films), such as the Indian scenes in Octopussy, with the 'local contact' being a snake charmer, and the market square with beds of nails, fire pits, etc.

It's not exactly a revelatory statement that the decades-old Bond movies are littered with casual racism, but Octopussy's brazenness in this regard is pretty shocking when viewed today.
Bond's (Roger Moore) sojourn to India sees the filmmakers milking practically every known Indian stereotype to the point of exhaustion, with sword swallowing, fire pits, "grotesque" exotic food, snakes and Bond infamously handing his Indian cohorts some cash before quipping, "Keep you in curry for a few weeks, won't it?"
https://whatculture.com/film/11-things-you-learn-rewatching-octopussy?page=6​

It's indicative of the writers' and directors' attitudes and the societies that produced them.

Should we forgive them for their attitude?
I mentioned the contrast between Wilbur Smith and Bryce Courtenay earlier in the thread. Both lived in South Africa around the same era.
Wilbur Smith, despite his popularity, never once, addressed apartheid, racism or discrimination, despite living in Rhodesia and South Africa.
Whereas Bryce Courtenay, who was also South African born, met racism, prejudice and apartheid head on and dealt with it in his fiction.

 

[ajohn]

much abuse directed at me

Do you ever wonder why?