Light Wiring

[TheFew]

Hi all,

I am looking for a bit of advice with regards to wiring in a ceiling rose and a switch.

In my new house I have a light in the upstairs hallway, which is operated by a switch on the ground floor at the bottom of the stairs and a switch at the top of the stairs.

In the hallway there is also a second ceiling rose (with no cable or bulb holder) and a second switch point, which is covered by a blanking plate (both shown in the below pictures). I am presuming this blanking plate would have originally been the switch for the disused ceiling rose, but I am unsure how to wire the a new switch and ceiling rose back in.

Any advice gratefully received.

Ta

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the ceiling rose and switch



the wiring behind the rose




the wring behind the blanking plate

 

[Risteard]

Presuming your new house isn't a HMO I can't really understand why there is an exit box in it?!

 

[bernardgreen]

It is almost certain to be another junction box involving the white wires at the blanked off box. Needs more information about where those white cables go to.

 

[TheFew]

Presuming your new house isn't a HMO I can't really understand why there is an exit box in it?!

It was a B&B before we bought it!

 

[TheFew]

It is almost certain to be another junction box involving the white wires at the blanked off box. Needs more information about where those white cables go to.

Hi, I am not quite sure I follow what you mean. Presumably you don't think that the blanked off box used to house a switch?

 

[bernardgreen]

Presumably you don't think that the blanked off box used to house a switch?

It might have housed a third switch to control the light that does work but the way the wires are connected in terminal blocks suggests it is not that simple.

Since the white cables behind the blanking plate do not appear in the ceiling rose ( grey cables ) there has to be a junction wher the grey and white cables inter connect with each other.

 

[PBC_1966]

In the picture of the ceiling rose there is an obviously newer cable (the one with brown & blue) which has been added using the specific terminals into which the pendant would normally be connected. There's a good chance that the pendant was removed from this fitting and that new cable installed to move the light elsewhere in the hallway, i.e. to its present location. If you can look at that light, see what cables run to it.

As there are already two switches operating the light, there's also a good chance that the blanked off switch location once had an intermediate switch to provide a third location from which the light could be controlled. Again, if you can check what wiring is present at the existing two switch locations, that might help.

 

[TheFew]

It might have housed a third switch to control the light that does work but the way the wires are connected in terminal blocks suggests it is not that simple.

Since the white cables behind the blanking plate do not appear in the ceiling rose ( grey cables ) there has to be a junction wher the grey and white cables inter connect with each other.

Ah good spot. Makes sense. I had not noticed the grey and white wires! Will have to explore some more, perhaps in the loft above.

 

[TheFew]

In the picture of the ceiling rose there is an obviously newer cable (the one with brown & blue) which has been added using the specific terminals into which the pendant would normally be connected. There's a good chance that the pendant was removed from this fitting and that new cable installed to move the light elsewhere in the hallway, i.e. to its present location. If you can look at that light, see what cables run to it.

As there are already two switches operating the light, there's also a good chance that the blanked off switch location once had an intermediate switch to provide a third location from which the light could be controlled. Again, if you can check what wiring is present at the existing two switch locations, that might help.

Another good spot. I will indeed investigate the functional rose and sockets and report back. Thank you.

 

[Taylortwocities]

I spy, in that ceiling rose, newer brown and blue wires that go where the pendant would have been connected.
My guess is there is another ceiling light now that is in another location

 

[TheFew]

Ok chaps I think you are correct.

The functional light in the hall has white wiring going into the ceiling rose...



Going up into the loft above the "non-functional" ceiling rose. It seems that the grey wire from that rose comes up into the loft and the runs along the loft and down into a new light in the hallway to th bed room. So it looks like they shifted the light to illuminate that section of hallway.







Thanks for the help in understand all this.