Mandatory ID cards (Brit Card) to be announced tomorrow

[Brigadier]

are you self employed?

Even the self-employed have an employer

 

[Si_]

Even the self-employed have an employer

Except they don't, do they? An employer pages wages and other employment provisions.

 

[Brigadier]

Except they don't, do they? An employer pages wages and other employment provisions.

...to the self-employed person

Ergo, the self-employed person is their employee (for the time of them being engaged by the employer).

 

[motorbiking]

Even the self-employed have an employer

...to the self-employed person

Ergo, the self-employed person is their employee (for the time of them being engaged by the employer).

there are 3 categories:

Employed
worker
Self employed

A self employed person is a service provider, there are no legal checks required to determine that, for example the bloke who fits your carpets is entitled to work in the UK. He provides you with a service.

An employer is already required to check employees and workers.

 

[Si_]

...to the self-employed person

Ergo, the self-employed person is their employee (for the time of them being engaged by the employer).

No, they are not, as I explained. A freelancer is not employed by a company and is not paid a wage by that company.

 

[Koolpc]

Everyone should be chipped like i am!

 

[blup]

Self employed owed duties to themselves under health and safety legislation, so comparable to an employer.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Employers are fully aware of any illegals working for them. It is impossible for an employer to unwitting employ an illegal. They need to use specialised ID check providers or get confirmation from the Home Office based on information presented.

So the digital ID will do literally nothing to improve this situation.

Never heard of shared NI numbers etc ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

there are 3 categories:

Employed

Better Id checks to remove possibilities of shared information across employees

worker

Same

Self employed

Much easier for authorities to check such as car washes, turkish barbers etc that many are complaining about,

A self employed person is a service provider, there are no legal checks required to determine that, for example the bloke who fits your carpets is entitled to work in the UK. He provides you with a service.

And should be easily traceable by the authorities

An employer is already required to check employees and workers.

So what's the issue?

An intrusion of our liberties? No more than the myriad of other information we gladly share, without even realising.

 

[ellal]

So what's the issue?

An intrusion of our liberties? No more than the myriad of other information we gladly share, without even realising.

The issue is that it is totally different to voluntarily share information with companies/departments which are not cross linked...

What is proposed is an all encompassing database and all the automatic cross referencing that enables...

If you believe that you gladly share information without realising it already, then you obviously don't understand the implications of what is proposed in this latest attempt to catalogue the population to a far greater extent than was envisaged only 15 years ago when it was dropped...

Because technology moves on exponentially!

 

[Notch7]

No, they are not, as I explained. A freelancer is not employed by a company and is not paid a wage by that company.

well they may be


if a freelancer is a limited company then they may be PAYE which means they are employed and paid a wage

if they are paid by dividends then their income will be declared on a CT600

if they are a sole trader then their income is their net income and is declared on a self assessment tax return

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The issue is that it is totally different to voluntarily share information with companies/departments which are not cross linked...

What is proposed is an all encompassing database and all the automatic cross referencing that enables...

If you believe that you gladly share information without realising it already

Let me list a few. Phone, number plates, debit cards, credit cards, passport, taxes, NI, nhs, banks etc etc.

You are traceable and recognisable by all of those.

The new ID thing will just link everything together.

, then you obviously don't understand the implications of what is proposed in this latest attempt to catalogue the population to a far greater extent than was envisaged only 15 years ago when it was dropped...

Because technology moves on exponentially!

Right or wrong, I'm on the fence.

But it isn't any further intrusion into your identity than you give away daily already.

 

[Notch7]

there are 3 categories:

Employed
worker
Self employed

A self employed person is a service provider, there are no legal checks required to determine that, for example the bloke who fits your carpets is entitled to work in the UK. He provides you with a service.

An employer is already required to check employees and workers.

a person may have a limited company, in which case they could be

a) paid PAYE solely and be an employee

b) paid dividends solely

c) be paid PAYE as an employee and paid dividends

A self employed person is a service provider, there are no legal checks required to determine that, for example the bloke who fits your carpets is entitled to work in the UK. He provides you with a service.

he will do a tax return
so that will show whether he is entitled to work in the UK

only people who exist on cash only both income and expenditure can stay under the radar

 

[RrogerD]

It's f*ckin bullshit!!
THIS is the start of the full-on crack-down of civil-liberties.
Just you wait until the time comes when you decide that you don't want 'the jab' or, that you haven't paid your parking ticket/s etc. They'll be able to freeze your accounts and then, no food etc.
Look at China. It's happening there as we speak.

 

[IT Minion]

It’s interesting how the right (at least on this forum) are split. Starmy’s instinct to link ID to immigration seems to be paying dividends. I can’t see digital ID working across different government departments until everything is joined up below. I have a number of different passwords for different parts of the NHS as well as the GP surgeries. All have different IT systems. Many of the logins fail to work after s specified period if you have not logged in (why)?. The project involves a huge investment, the government will be milked by open ended contracts, and there is no way it can be delivered by 2029. Its reminiscent of the attempts to digitise NHS records, maybe it’s Kieth’s HS2.

I believe the passport and drivers licence systems are interconnected. Which means we have a system to start it with.

The NHS issues are caused by 50,000 independent GP surgeries (small businesses run by old people) and 150 NHS trusts with their own independent selection of IT kit and processes and covers a huge amount of highly sensitive data. It was a far more ambitious job.