Recently replaced my mums baxi back boiler for a Viessmann Compact Open Vent boiler in the airing cupboard, left her already insulated copper cylinder in place, converted to a fully pump set up, and seriously lagged all pipework. She has the hot water on 4 times a week for an hour to heat the cylinder, not had to have the heating on obviously. She just showed me her gas bill for the summer £8.35. And I know she will allways have hot water as the immersion is also in place, and she will always be warm, because she has a nice gas fire in the living room.